Human BioE gear

[Shepp16]

i just got the red bio engineer gun [Gunnlogi of the Graedari] and the mastery bonus that the gun gives and the set bonuses give are all aimed towards the left bioengineer path. i am currently middle path and i was just wondering, is there other sets or w/e for the other paths or am i stuck with these? was being human BioE a mistake?

[VVipeOut]

i dont think so unless noone has found them yet. But it's the same for me I went doen the center and found that out and was a little sad.

[Wildkarde]

I'm sure they will add more sets in the near future. I don't think they expected us to get them so fast. FYI the Cyber set seems to be aimed for the right path

[CEAF]

The human set is left path, the cyber set is right path.

There is no set for the middle path. :(

[K1RB]

If your human and your middle path, go for lvl 50 orange items with 4 empty rune slots and customize it. You can probly make a set of customized orange better than any set we'll find. Atleast until they add some DLC.

[lagster]

im using oranges, running low on decent runes now.i'd still like to collect a full set of reds though just to see how it compares and also get the achiev.

[VVipeOut]

The human set is left path, the cyber set is right path.

There is no set for the middle path. :(



yeah I love the middle path looks like i'll have to respect and chng how I play once I get Epic

[bansin]

I'm lvl 39 going down the middle path and right as a human. I'm using oranges speced out for Maxed: strength, attack speed, 2h damage, and armor primarily. No plus healing or regen. I also slot my weapon for it's type of damage. At lvl 40 and 44 I'll have an entire set of completely empty sloted oranges to equip as I desire and look forward to finally ubering out. I also use any empty slotted orange guns I find as rune holders. I prefer putting armor runes in guns which generally ammounts to a 40% increase in armor at least giving me room to be less selective about an items armor value and more towards bonuses.

I don't think Human is bad. I also don't think the Red Epic sets are worth using other than for an achievement.

At lvl 39 my 2h weapons do about +80% increased damage before being modified by the -25% bio-engy melee damage.

I'm doing 2k damage and hit for 1,800.

[Speak]

Is that all? I'm Middle, Left Path Human.

Level 37. I hit 1.4k's and 9k Finishers.. Fully decked out in healing gear/Loot drop% and Laser damage.. o_O

[BoThor55on]

anybody got a picture of the Elite Human Bio armor?

[VVipeOut]

So if I'm going to use the epic human armor, and respect my guy so he will work with the set, What weapon do i use. I dont mean the gun but what? a one-handed hammer, one-handed staff, one-handed sword?

I'm kinda lost at that part.

[bansin]

Is that all? I'm Middle, Left Path Human.

Level 37. I hit 1.4k's and 9k Finishers.. Fully decked out in healing gear/Loot drop% and Laser damage.. o_O


FYI: I have max item find. What good is maxed healing gear? Especially that your down the middle. THe Heal over time is extremely powerful. Full restoration of my health without it.

Who are you saying "Is that all?" to? I'm using a 2h hammer. Your gun can't be doing the same value as a gun in one shot. If that is your 2h damage, your doing 400 less a hit...that is nearly 25% less damage than my 2handed. Hope your using your laser damage often...I only use my grenade and melee till it recharges on it's own to shoot again. Anyway, laser is not the best damage type except against single targets. Though, I love the DOT from grenade. I realize your specing 1/2 ranged and 1/2 melee, but I've found that going 2h melee and and fierce range and damage as well gets better results than ranged. I clear everything in front of me with sword/staff fierce and clean up the spread out enemies in close quarters.

[Speak]

You maxed out your melee skills, Higher level with Damage runes.

I had none of that and hit 400 less than you. So yes, you were dishing crap damage.

[BattleOn]

So if I'm going to use the epic human armor, and respect my guy so he will work with the set, What weapon do i use. I dont mean the gun but what? a one-handed hammer, one-handed staff, one-handed sword?

I'm kinda lost at that part.


There isnt one for the set, but I just kept logging in and out of a multiplayer game and running to tyrs shop eventually i got a shaper of the fjords (1 handed high damage mace) and a Runic Hammer of the Dwarf-kin( 2h mace looks like thors hammer) Really good weapon for a middle path bio imo. One of the human set pieces gives +1% to one handed critical, so id probably say as far as damage goes(and your speccing left path) get a shaper of the fjords. Theres also another elite/epic w/e one handed mace that spawned but i didnt have enough for it, it had 4 open rune slots and the first attribute was +1 to human skill tree 8mill bounty pretty nice.

[The Flood]

That would be the Bludgeon-iron of Vali, and it's awesome. It's actually only got 3 open rune slots, cause the first rune is all human skills +1. It does 2194 base damage, but you can easily get that over 3k with one handed maxed and a few points from charms, plus damage runes if you want. And it has a second set piece, a gun that I haven't seen yet, that gives another +1 to all human skills as a set bonus, on top of whatever stats the gun gives.

It definetly does show up in shops, just make sure you have 9 mil before you start looking. It's acually like 8.87 million or there abouts.

[ldSlbuckeyelDsl]

I'm right path and use the Shaper of the Fjords. Not quite the same appeal as Bludgeon-iron of Vali, but it does set up well for the Human epic set. Added another hammer damage rune in the Shaper, 3993 after all bonuses..

[grysh]

Are there actually level 50 oranges with all empty slots? The only thing close i've seen are aesir pieces. Altruists are capped at 44, or so it seems.

[bansin]

You maxed out your melee skills, Higher level with Damage runes.

I had none of that and hit 400 less than you. So yes, you were dishing crap damage.


Try to maintain some respect please. Calling it "crap" damage doesn't back up your statement. Now, all the rest of this post I’m simply wanting to analyze our builds and gear and find out what perceived strengths or weaknesses we both believe we have. I’m going to post my entire 6 piece armor, ranged and melee slotting.

It is my belief, that you are over estimating the worth of your numbers in damage. OR I stated my damage too low.

Now to analyze your method outside of previous damage comparisons.

You profess to have no +two handed gear, went down the 2handed middle path(presumably for stronger heals and the shield spider), and focused your slots on ranged? So basically, you prefer mediocrity in all your capabilities? BE’s don’t get much in ranged benefits for the points. Human, is beneficial for sure. 20% shooting speed is good, but your increased melee speed is wasted along with your 2handed middle path damage which alone, only brings you up to +5% on melee(because you don’t slot melee) and +25% including attack speed(after -25%). +30%(?) on laser and ranged speed coming out to +35% ranged damage not including the reload time. You can slot faster reload but that doesn’t significantly increase damage I think. Do you slot larger cartridge size? Faster reload too?

For me: I’m seeing +65% 2hand after reduction. And +50% attack speed after human benefits. Fierce range and damage +20%/+50% respectively. Healing is exactly enough, armor is maxed, item find maxed, and I still have some 8 slots waiting in my armor to be filled because I just don’t know what to do to better serve my goals. Been thinking of +dodge or +health.

Second, I could say your choice of plus healing gear could be pointless. Down the middle path? You seriously need your regen warcry to heal 150% of your health bar? Granted, I don't know your entire build. Are you slotted for +health max? I could see that plus healing helping in that case, I think... I'm not sure how much the regen warcry heals because it always maxes my health out.

I'm CERTAIN that you cannot clear a room faster than I, using your laser... Instead of laser damage, I have Fierce damage and range. Your laser grenade might kill 3-6 in one explosion after the dot finishes? I can kill 15+ in one fierce and likely fierce four times for the time it takes you to shoot two grenades? Unless your slotting clip size I know you have to reload after one grenade.

Melee: Against an elf you'd have to hit 5 times for my 4, you'd also spend 1/3 more time trying, which means you'd be fall out of air-combo before you were done.

Also, what is your preferred weapon?
I prefer staff in HoH (multi-target melee), Sword in Ice Forest (fierce length and coverage), and hammer for Serpent and Helheim (the swarms are easier to deal with knocked up in the air and for wide covering fierce knocking them down.)

I do swop weapons based on encounters though. I really like Hammer against swarms.

Armor slots give 24 slots:
Armor+ 17% x 5 = 90%
Attack speed %10 x 3 = 30%
2h dmg +10% x 3 = 30%
Fierce dmg 25% x 1 = 25%(50% total)
Strength 25% x 2 = 50%
2 slots misc such as Ablative, Pierce

8 slots open.

Weapon:
2h Damage type 10% x 3 = 30
fierce dmg 25% x 1 =25%(50% total)

Ranged weapon:
Item Find 4% x 4 = 15%

[grysh]

Second, I could say your choice of plus healing gear could be pointless. Down the middle path? You seriously need your regen warcry to heal 150% of your health bar? Granted, I don't know your entire build. Are you slotted for +health max? I could see that plus healing helping in that case, I think... I'm not sure how much the regen warcry heals because it always maxes my health out.


Just want to chime in on this part. Yes that heal is so worth it. Especially on maps with multiple assault goblins. When you have 5 barrages of missiles and 15-20 or so undead swarming you, having that massive regen helps a lot. It's saved my defender buddy and I many many times. Also it very rarely refills all of our health unless I use it to early.

[bansin]

Yea, today I was doing some testing to really see what it is refilling. And you right, it is good but it doesn't over fill it. So plus healing is still useful with the middle path warcry.

[Gobby16]

I do swop weapons based on encounters though. I really like Hammer against swarms.

Armor slots give 24 slots:
Armor+ 17% x 5 = 90%
Attack speed %10 x 3 = 30%
2h dmg +10% x 3 = 30%
Fierce dmg 25% x 1 = 25%(50% total)
Strength 25% x 2 = 50%
2 slots misc such as Ablative, Pierce

8 slots open.

Weapon:
2h Damage type 10% x 3 = 30
fierce dmg 25% x 1 =25%(50% total)

Ranged weapon:
Item Find 4% x 4 = 15%


What good is the fierce attack damage? I've never really thought about it before, if it's worth using I'll probably check it out.

[bansin]

I'm sure they will add more sets in the near future. I don't think they expected us to get them so fast. FYI the Cyber set seems to be aimed for the right path

When will game developers have more faith in our inhuman ability to traverse the available content in record time?

[bansin]

What good is the fierce attack damage? I've never really thought about it before, if it's worth using I'll probably check it out.

Fierce attack damage is worth two normal hits and it hits everything it touches. Sword/staff is a straight line, hammer is a forward arc and knockdown.


Extra 50% fierce damage means you'll do 3 hits worth of damage in one fierce.

In co-op I'm always surprised at how little melee's fierce. I fierce against any consolidated groups I encounter.