B/E Q's

[diseptikon]

After witnessing my buddy's zerker's constant deaths I decided I would create a char to help him out. I have a few questions though. I know that the human elite set is left path, the cyber elite set is right path, but what are the weapons? I assume the cyber is a 1 handed weapon of some sort? Right now Im considering the middle tree or the right tree, and I wanted to know some of your experiences between the different battle cries. I really like the max HP boost in middle tree, is it significant? If I end up going middle tree what elite weapons can I look forward to using? Thanks for the help.

[diseptikon]

Wow this B/E forum is hoppin....

*tumbleweed rolls by*

[Wildkarde]

Hey, welcome to the BEs! The cyber set is actually a 2H staff (weird I know)... It is really good though, I use it (maxed 2h and specc'd the rest down the right path), I believe the humans get a rifle? Not sure though.

Check this thread for a lot of info on the Cyber set
http://www.toohuman.net/forums/showthread.php?t=424

EDIT: CEAF actually posted all the Human set in that thread as well, so you are set! =D

[Snowboarder99]

The human weapon is a plasma rifle. I like the middle path because the heal is so much better and then you have a spider that makes you invincible. Who doesn't want that? I'll probably switch to the left path though when I get a couple more pieces.

[diseptikon]

The human weapon is a plasma rifle. I like the middle path because the heal is so much better and then you have a spider that makes you invincible. Who doesn't want that? I'll probably switch to the left path though when I get a couple more pieces.

How does the heal in the middle path work? Does it continuosly heal you faster with the battle cry active? Once your at 100% health does it keep healing you as you are hit? How long is the delay?

[Wildkarde]

How does the heal in the middle path work? Does it continuosly heal you faster with the battle cry active? Once your at 100% health does it keep healing you as you are hit? How long is the delay?

Its a delayed large heal. So when you use your battle cry there is like a 1 second delay then you get a heal. Once the heal occurs its over, not sure there is a recharge.

[gualdhar]

no it starts right away, it just takes 5 seconds or so to do the full heal.

[blooD crEscNT]

Correct. The middle battlecry does about two or three ticks worth of healing, which equals to the one large heal.

Personally, I think the middle tree has the best healing ability. I haven't actually tried the left path but according to the skill quote, it does a small heal. I mean which would you rather have? One big heal that heals your whole life bar or close to it, or a puny wimpy heal that heals only part of it? Of course you could boost it up with +healing effectiveness. But that's a double edge sword for both of the skills. So the question that would arise would be.....what would you rather have? Wimpy wimpy wimpy? Or HEFTY HEFTY HEFTY?

P.S. I would love to see some info or anything from some of the left tree players.

[diseptikon]

Im considering going human and with my probable build I should never be out of combo meter. I guess Im just trying to see how much more effective the battle cry heal is vs the spider heal on the right tree path.

[Snowboarder99]

I used the left path for about 2 hours, I didn't like it. The heal was really small, seemed like it was a healing orb's worth. The enemy disabling spider was pretty cool, but the invincibility spider is so much better/useful

[diseptikon]

Another question. Have you noticed if Battle Cry Efficiency reduces the combo cost of either the middle tree or right tree battlecry?

[gualdhar]

battle cry efficiency is currently broken.

the Human tree's efficiency from raising your combo count does affect it though.

[blooD crEscNT]

Im considering going human and with my probable build I should never be out of combo meter. I guess Im just trying to see how much more effective the battle cry heal is vs the spider heal on the right tree path.

Well as you well know, battlecry is combo meter dependant. So, IMO, a human would be better with either the left or middle tree specs considering they have battlecry heals. I haven't really tested out the right tree spider heal but it could be pretty viable if you're human. The Spider Cooldown talent would be a must and add a couple of +spider cooldown and it would probably be a worthwhile skill. In fact I think I might try out a Right path human now that I'm sitting here writing about it.

Sounds like a win / win situation. It's just hard to give up a great heal, IMO, and the ever so valuable IWIN spider.

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Hopefully SK will fix the Human Bio Spiritual Ruiner to actually do what the skill states. Siphon the life out of the enemies. That's probably the reason they made the human elite set for the left path. Crap skills get made up for by the ever so lovely part of Siphon!

[EA_Cru_2002]

There's nothing wrong with a human b/e, but let me tell you I'm loving my cyber b/e. I personally think the Cyber epic set has better runes attached to it than the human. The human set has 2 open rune slots, sure, but everything else that's there seems kinda "eh." There's a lot of runes on the human set that seems to focus on your healing ability, which is cool, but not the first thing I'd boost up, and your slash, blunt, and piercing resistance. The cybernetic side on the other hand gives bonuses to more vital core stats like your strength, two handed damage, attack speed, total HP, staff slide distance, spider duration (huge with the shield spider!), etc.

Also the cyber's 2 handed epic staff is ridiculously powerful as it has the necrotized status attack on it. Combine that with the cyber skill Submition, which effectively doubles your chances of it occuring, and the fact you're using a 2 handed weapon which increases your proc rate even further and you'll be swimming pools of acid 24/7. Also, the Human alignment having a plasma rifle as your epic weapon set seems kinda weird to me. Especially when I look at my orange slug rifle (not even epic) with an attack rating more than 100+ the epic plasma.

Combine that if you got two charms equipped, especially the Graviton one (the black hole one that sucks up all enemies) and you'll be laying waste to the battlefield. The Human alignment's greatest offensive weapon is their better ruiner, but with my status effects, I cause almost as much damage as quickly as a ruiner, add to the fact I'm not using my combo meter but instead saving it up for my heals, of if I want to use my cyber ruiner (which with your epic weapon, is pretty good in it of itself).

Oh and don't mind what alignment cyber and human epic sets cater towards. Cyber is right, human is left, but honestly, middle is the only one worth using anyway so that doesn't really matter. I tried the right path because I was cyber and without the shield spider and ability to heal based off combo meters (instead having to rely on your spider to heal) I was dying a lot more. And the supposed "buff" battlecry didn't seem to do much. And as far as the left side, it basically seems like a weaker version of the middle path.

[blooD crEscNT]

Yea, the Human epic weapon isn't all that great. I would much prefer a weapon, like the Cyber, rather than a Ballistic weapon as it would help out our much needed boost in the melee department. But to each his own.

I'm really looking forward towards my Cyber Bio, whenever my padre finally gets his butt into gear and complete the campaign. I can't remember who posted this build but the credit goes towards him. He stated that you need at least the Epic Cyber Weapon and two Epic Charms, but I feel that it could work with any Charm and Weapon (that has procs on it i.e. Enthalpy, Thermal Induction, etc).

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HAHA actually it's EA Cru 2002's build that I put up here. Hehe kinda funny. Well as stated above I, personally, think that the build could work without the "pre-reqs" of having epic charms and the epic weapon. It would only seem that having those would just allow you to kill things much quicker.

Here's the link (http://www.toohuman.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11) to the post and it's post number 10.

[IEatCivics]

I'm going to be honest. I first started playing with a human bio middle spec from level 1-50 and loved it because of the faster meter growth, constantly dropping my spider and the big HOT. Then I looked at the elite items and said F that. So I made a a cyber bio middle path 1-50 and hated playing it because the spider took FOREVER to recharge and I couldn't get combo's as fast as I was use to. The spider did last a good 5 seconds longer, but I'm not gonna trade that extra 5 seconds of spider for a good minute off my cooldown. As I've played both and wanted to do the middle path so badly, the human seems better. I'm going to admit on my human I've found many of the elite items so I've gone left path and enjoy it well. I sat and did math on the left path heal vs right path heal with the same + to heals and the left path heal does just above 3 tics of the 4 tics of the middle path heal. Not too shabby by any means. Left path is just the closest I can get to the middle path and have gear geared towards it. When an elite set gets out for mid path imma forget the other 2 paths and go for that for sure because i do miss being invincible. And one more thing about the weapon. On my cyber bio I had the epic bio weapon and on my human I got the red epic 1h hammer that gives +1 all human skills empty rune slot 3x and with the gear i hit just as hard, but a lot faster so left path human is an intense/aggressive bio that can still heal and stun everything around it.

[blooD crEscNT]

Hmm that's interesting. Thanks for the input on the Left Human Tree along with some gear.

I was going to plan on going left path, just as you did, once I get my Elite set. But, I'm not having any luck and that Invincible Spider along with the cooldown reduction is just too good to try and give up.

Here's hoping that SK will allow you to trade in your Elite Gear for another set that's Elite but made for the Middle Tree (maybe even put in a fee?) through DLC.

[EA_Cru_2002]

Haha, always good to be referenced in a post.

As far as the build I made, I'm not saying it's the best and the only way, but after 100+ hours and respecing dozens of times to experiment (trust me, it costs me a million to respec now, that's how much I did it) I found this to be the best build for me personally.

It gives me the greatest offense and defensive capabilities. Going through any level solo is a breeze and I do it fairly quickly every time. When I do play co op and a stranger jumps on, you don't know how many times I hear, "Wow, we're at the boss already?"

And yes, you don't neccesarily need the charms I recommended. But those are the best charms if you want to kill as many enemies as quickly as possible. Just warning you, the ones I'm using took A LONG TIME to get (one needed 12000 air kills, the other you have to go through ice forest from beginning to end without quitting 3 times) but it was worth it. It made finding elite gear a lot easier since enemies died so quickly.

Like I've stated numerous times, the cybernetic's greatest strength is their higher proc rate. Unfortunately it's not as flashy as the human ruiner or as apparent to the user as faster combo building, but I think it's more useful in a utilitarian way. Gravity well and Necrotize occur so often that it's actually rare for me to kill things by plain old damaging them!

[blooD crEscNT]

Yea, I'm definitely looking forward to playing my Cyber Bio just for the reasons you stated. But, I also enjoy speed banging through mobs (attack speed increase through skill and runes) with my two handed hammer.

I dunno though. I just enjoy the Bio class alot. I am always a sucker for paladin esque type classes though.

[IEatCivics]

I just went and tried out the middle path with 1h spec 10/10 and I gotta say this is my fav so far. I'm just tired of the slow 2h blah. And anyways i'm useing the 1h with +1 human skills and hot the gun to complete the set so +2 all human skills just from those. I might switch back to left side again though because I keep finding elite armors. But maybe a fun spec for u guys to mess with if you really like the 1h weapons and because the 1h weapons for human are just better than the 2h ones.