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Darrell
08-27-2008, 03:09 PM
I don't know how many of you folks read the User Review forums, but I want to make sure everyone has a chance to see me admit I was wrong. I also want the folks at Silicon Knights, especially Denis, to know that I was wrong. Well, maybe not so much "wrong" as I was having the wrong experience with Too Human because I wasn't playing the way I should have been. I did have a terrible experience with my first playthrough, but that was my fault rather than the fault of the game. I was blaming the game for things that I did, or didn't do, and for that I was wrong.

After Denis posted his long list of suggestions, I went back and did a second complete playthrough of the game with my Berserker. My experience was much, much, much better the second time through. The only times I died were on the bosses of Ice Forest and World Serpent (I died once and twice on those, respectively), as opposed to my previous playthrough where I died more than a dozen times on the Ice Forest, at least half a dozen times on World Serpent and I died within the first 20 seconds of Helheim. I'm still having issues with doing a slide when trying to do a fierce attack, but so far I haven't had that problem with the Defender; the Berserker's longer slide range may be partially responsible.

I was also much more impressed with the story and level design, since I was actually able to pay attention and care about the game rather than cursing it with every other breath. The story has a lot of subtleties that I missed my first time through; now I smirk at lines such as "The old world is dead, Baldur, and part of you died with it" because I can see the intended irony. I was able to marvel at the sweeping depths of the Ice Forest, the huge internal machinations of the World Serpent and the nightmarish land of damnation that is Helheim; the cinematic view offered from Hel's throne room, just off to the right, was especially impressive.

The game is now as fun as I had originally hoped it would be. The story is even better than I had thought (And I never thought it was bad), I enjoy switching strategies and enemies I used to dread are now given little more than a second glance. Dark Elf Archers, in particular, are no longer the stuff of nightmares for me. Now a quick 2-in-1 ruiner totally obliterates them and everything else within about 100 yards. I even managed to complete the two arenas in the Ice Forest that I failed the first time through. Actually, my first time through saw me dying on the first level while my second playthrough saw me dominating the arena and finishing at full health.

Too Human is a great game, and I was wrong in thinking otherwise. I originally said that I understood why reviewers gave the game a low score. If I was right in saying that their experiences must have mirrored my own, then I can honestly say that they weren't playing the game the way they should have been. While originally I would have given the game something like a 30 out of pure frustration, my second playthrough (I skipped no cinematics, I hunted out and had as many conversations as I could, paid attention to background dialogue with Wolf Troopers, checked out the level designs and backgrounds...basically did everything I would have done during my first playthrough except I was too pissed off to care about anything) would have seen a rating closer to 85%. The game is still not perfect, but it's a lot of fun and does require you to actually pay attention to what you're doing. It rewards thought and strategy, but it also will knock you on your *** if you're not ready for what Too Human throws at you.

Thanks for your advice, Denis. You guys did an awesome job with the game and I'm sorry that I couldn't experience all the fun sooner. :) Also thanks to Henry and Adam, whose scattered comments also added up to helping me tackle obstacles that were tripping me up constantly during my first playthrough. I'm extremely glad that I gave Too Human another chance and approached it with the mindset of "Maybe I'm doing something wrong". I've never been more happy to be so wrong.

Speak
08-27-2008, 03:12 PM
As i said before. Mad respect for you because you stuck at it, and constructively voiced your opinion, but you took the advice and criticism from the community well, and look where you are now:) You hated it but yet you still gave it a chance! A job as a reviewer should be instantly given to you! Also takes a big man to swallow his pride and admit he was wrong.

Hope to see more posts on your progress, enjoyed reading through.

Keep at it! ;)

Krullnar
08-27-2008, 03:28 PM
It rewards thought and strategy, but it also will knock you on your *** if you're not ready for what Too Human throws at you.


Ain't that the truth!

Right on, great post.

506_Deano
08-27-2008, 03:30 PM
I really don't think you're alone in that boat Darrell.

Personally, I was skeptical about the demo during my first play through. Then I gave the demo another shot and learned to really enjoy using the analog. And then I heard about unlocking the other classes in the demo and figured out the subtle nuances the game had to offer.

Now when my friends ask about the game, I tell them the honest truth and I also tell them to try it for themselves. But I am a staunch advocate for this game.

~cheers~

Klez
08-27-2008, 11:11 PM
Wow, that's awesome and I'm glad to see you've changed your mind. I agree too, you should be a game critic!!!

Cheers,

Fire Storm
08-27-2008, 11:14 PM
Saying that you were wrong is always a hard thing to do. You have gained alot of respect from me for saying that purely alone. Especialy on the internet where everyone refuses to.

08-27-2008, 11:16 PM
Yes! I was hoping we'd get a good old fashioned Darrell post on the first day of the new forums. :D

sfubear
08-28-2008, 12:27 AM
Good man, I was worried about you for a minute you had a reaction that I wasn't expecting. It actually made me sit back and look at myself and ask if I was really having fun or if I was just forcing myself to have fun. I quickly realized that I would lose huge chunks of time which is always a good sign that I am having fun, which got me wondering what you where doing wrong. Glad you stuck with it and figured it out. I agree that there are flaws but so does DD and I am willing to bet that many people at SK are willing to say the same but it is a fun game and I am enjoying it.

Glad you are too

FuzzyBlueKittes
08-28-2008, 12:28 AM
Glad you've come over to the other side :D

DrakeSteel
08-28-2008, 01:24 AM
That's one of the really great parts about it.

You'll have a given encounter that kicks your ***. Then, if you step back and think it out, you can see what you did wrong and correct it. The next time it's not as bad. <grin>

-DrakeSteel

Darrell
08-28-2008, 01:44 AM
Good man, I was worried about you for a minute you had a reaction that I wasn't expecting. It actually made me sit back and look at myself and ask if I was really having fun or if I was just forcing myself to have fun. I quickly realized that I would lose huge chunks of time which is always a good sign that I am having fun, which got me wondering what you where doing wrong. Glad you stuck with it and figured it out. I agree that there are flaws but so does DD and I am willing to bet that many people at SK are willing to say the same but it is a fun game and I am enjoying it.

Glad you are too


I was pretty surprised when I found myself not having fun. I'd been anticipating the game for years, since it was first announced for the 360, and then my reaction to playing it was actually pure frustration.

Took me a while, but once things clicked then the fun kicked into gear.

As for the post, well, I'm a newbie again so I have to start earning my reputation from the ground up. ;)

Ender
08-28-2008, 02:28 AM
Darrell, do you maybe have some of those tips Denis, Adam and Henry gave you? I'm feeling a bit frustrated myself.

Az005
08-28-2008, 03:05 AM
It's a good thing that the game is offering you the entertainment that we all hoped it would.

May I ask though, do we have a link do the long list of suggestions by Dennis Dyack that you mentioned?

It'd be nice to have a glance, while I am enjoying myself thus far (down under I have only had it briefly) more enjoyment couldn't go wrong!

Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain was still better but ;).

Darrell
08-28-2008, 03:10 AM
I tried doing a search through the cached Google pages, but sadly I haven't been able to find the list. I'll keep looking, and if I find it then I'll be sure to post it here.

To sum it up, though, I was being too greedy with my combo meter. I was still in the demo mindset of "Keep your combo as high as you can" rather than "Do whatever you can to survive". The Dark Elf archers went from a huge pain in the *** to no threat at all once I started doing a 2-in-1 ruiner on them; 2-in-1 ruiner costs half of a normal ruiner and ruiners do extra damage versus shields.

Shoot the light polarities, melee the dark polarities.

B button is helpful for avoiding damage, even DoT (Like a poison special effect).

Don't forget to use your spider. Even if you have minimum points invested, it can still help in a pinch. My Berserker has Sleep-Storm of Steel (Thermal mine, essentially) and it's great for when I'm being swarmed by enemies. Drop it and I'm free to move around. Even with only 4 points invested, it's good enough to clear trash mobs that are blocking me from handling the dangerous stuff.

I'll repost the list if I can find it.

reanor
08-28-2008, 04:08 AM
Good on you Darrell for such a candid post. I'm equally pleased to hear you enjoying the game as much as you are. There are so many subtle moments throughout this game where I find myself grinning with a dumbfounded sensation that this game was made for "me". It's not perfect, but it is easily one of my favorite gaming experiences to date and I am equally excited to see where the series goes from here.

samski
08-28-2008, 05:02 AM
I cant find a good 'welcome to the dark side pic' :\

samski

exkon
08-28-2008, 05:12 AM
LOL, that would be funny Samski

gonzales
08-28-2008, 05:26 AM
I cant find a good 'welcome to the dark side pic' :\

samski


here you go.


http://i38.tinypic.com/ampfkz.jpg

come to the darkside
(we have cookies)

Darrell
08-28-2008, 07:47 PM
Though I've gotten better at the base campaign, I'm still having trouble on the alternate levels as well as coop. Lots and lots of polarities, including multiple trolls of different polarities, are giving me a hard time now that I'm level 50 and dealing with the "end game". I ran through the World Serpent with Castrum earlier and the first run I died about half a dozen times. The second run only saw me dying twice.

Need to practice more. Of course, now I have my Rage Axes and I have an Aura of the Fleshleech charm. :) The axes are awesome (Both for stats and for looks) and the charm will hopefully come in handy. I'd like to get a Curse of the Fleshleech as well so I'll have two ways of regaining life. Now that I've had my first taste of epic items, I'm eager to have more! Hopefully, I'll learn how to better deal with those crazy Frost Troll, Slowing Troll, Fire DoT Troll and Soften Troll situations that are popping up now.

For some reason, doing fierce attacks are easier with my staves than with my swords. I have no idea why, but it's helping me with fiercing down polarities at a distance. Still difficult to aim on the fly, but I'm getting better (I think).

exkon
08-28-2008, 07:49 PM
I know what you mean Darrell.

My buddy (Defender) and I (Champion) are both level 50. Nothing annoys me more than going into a room to find a whole bunch of polarities coming at us...

I still get pissed at some of the "lame" deaths I've had.

Vespasian
08-28-2008, 09:08 PM
See? Just as I had said, it was not the game that was the problem....it was you! :D

Maawdawg
08-28-2008, 09:59 PM
Glad to see things turned around for you man. I still get my moments in co-op of in the speed runs where polarities just crush me too. Yes, I am looking at you pink super powered combo stealing rocket launcher guys. Hit me up for some co-op sometime and we can try to figure some stuff out together ;)

Darrell
08-28-2008, 10:03 PM
Glad to see things turned around for you man. I still get my moments in co-op of in the speed runs where polarities just crush me too. Yes, I am looking at you pink super powered combo stealing rocket launcher guys. Hit me up for some co-op sometime and we can try to figure some stuff out together ;)


What's your gamertag? I'm always looking for people to play coop with, but I've only got a few people on my friends list and they're usually cooping by the time I get online.

Maawdawg
08-28-2008, 10:06 PM
Cixelsyd96, it is in my sig. Pretty sure you added me already but I am not positive. Whenever you see me on just hit me up. Even if I am in a co-op already we can always work something out for later on or another day. I have had alot of afternoon playtime to fill lately. Evenings I normally co-op with some RL friends. Looking forward to giving you some bonus crit with my champion.

Valhalen
08-28-2008, 11:47 PM
I must say now that i have my main decked out i dont die very often. I did level my champion recently and the ice forrest kicked me in the face so hard i couldn't see straight for days. Died so many times but i know he will eventually reach the point where he points and laughs at 4 or 5 polarity trolls.

RAziel1979
08-28-2008, 11:54 PM
I can always count on Darrell to give me(us) a good read.
I haven't been playing the game too much, but when I do I could easily spend 5+ hours on it, time goes super fast when playing this game, I love it!