The official NFL thread

[Sw0ll_MC25]

Football season is just around the corner. So here it is the official NFL thread. Discuss anything related to the NFL.



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[Sw0ll_MC25]

Training camp starts today!!!

http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp

[Maawdawg]

My Bears actually have a good QB this year, for the first time in a couple decades or so. I almost don't know what to do with myself.

Add that to the fact that Brett Favre may finally be done his retirement song and dance and this has been a very good offseason.

[Nicholbert]

I am really upset my Bills have Drama Queen Owens catching, or batting balls...whatever it is he does. Another year in the AFC East where we might contend, but may get lucky just to win 5 games. Our schedule is tough again, as usual. The AFC East is a beast.

[Maawdawg]

The Dolphins should take a step back this year since everyone has had a year to digest the Wildcat offense. The Pats have Brady back so that makes them better. The Jets are a couple years from being pretty good. The Bills got Terrible Owens so at least they will be on Sportscenter this year when he starts blowing up at coaches on the sideline around week 3.

[Mattpfeil]

My Bears actually have a good QB this year, for the first time in a couple decades or so. I almost don't know what to do with myself.

Add that to the fact that Brett Favre may finally be done his retirement song and dance and this has been a very good offseason.

So, your a Bears fan. I am afraid we can't be friends anymore. It is unfortunate, we always got along so well. We can be friends again after the Steelers stomp the tits off the Bears though.:D:D:D:D

Nah, I'm just joking, I do feel very good about my Steelers this year though.

[Maawdawg]

When you started that post I thought you were going to be a Packers, Vikings, or Lions fan for sure.

The Steelers are 1 or 2 in every NFL site's power rankings I have seen so far (with the Pats flipping spots with them). They are a very solid and very well coached team. As long as this "Big Ben hotel issue" thing doesn't turn into a big issue they should be good for years to come.

They should win their division easy.

[Mattpfeil]

I hope so. and this "Hotel" issue is such a load of crap, someone else is just looking for money.

[DenyThisFlesh]

When you started that post I thought you were going to be a Packers, Vikings, or Lions fan for sure.

The Steelers are 1 or 2 in every NFL site's power rankings I have seen so far (with the Pats flipping spots with them). They are a very solid and very well coached team. As long as this "Big Ben hotel issue" thing doesn't turn into a big issue they should be good for years to come.

They should win their division easy.

Nope, I'm the resident Vikings fan around here. I hate the Bears less than the Packers though. The Lions aren't worth the energy it would take to hate them. I just laugh at them.

Seriously though, the Bears offense should be better with Cutler.

Agreed about the Steelers. They should be very good again this year, but with Tom Brady back the Pats might be a little bit better. We'll see how it plays out though.

[Mattpfeil]

The Patriots and the Cowboys can both go die in a fire......Twice.

[Sw0ll_MC25]

You guys and AFC East, meh, AFC West is were it's at.

Yeah thats right I said it, Go Chiefs!

[Mattpfeil]

no, just no

[Sw0ll_MC25]

no, just no

:p


Todd Haley, chief's new coach, set a conditioning test for Friday's starting of camp. Clenn Dorsey 5th pick from '08, failed the test. I hope Dorsey can pick it up. He was a good college player, eventhough he was from the SEC.

I want to see Chiefs do well this year but it's another rebuilding season, I've been saying that for the last 8 years. lol.

[exkon]

GO SEAHAWKS!!

Nothing could have been worse than the injury laiden season of yesteryear...but this year is going to be different...it's time for Jim Mora's time!!

[Eleazar]

It is the Colts season. No more ****ty DC holding us back, and no more Dungy. Otherwise the same team except for a much improved DL, and experienced OL. It is theirs to lose.

[Maawdawg]

Donald Brown, the running back you guys from UConn is really good. He will definitely add something to your offense. He isn't super fast or big but he is a great runner who knows how to use blocks and find holes. He put up 2,000+ yards behind a below average line in college last year on a team that had no QB and everyone knew was running the ball.

[Eleazar]

Yeah, he should be good. YOu know what is kind of funny. Polian drafted both the leading rusher and reciever in college football this past season.

[laxfish76]

It's the year of Tom Brady.

Pats win the Super Bowl.

Lax

[Sw0ll_MC25]

Preseason kick off. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=290809010)

[Maawdawg]

I hate how TO is the center of every story if he plays in a game. I can't stand that they give him so much attention, then the more he gets the more he acts the fool. Endless spiral.

2 Catches in the first preseason game of the year, that warrants 5 minutes on Sportscenter to dissect it.

[Sw0ll_MC25]

I know, ESPN/Sportscenter has more drama then daytime TV.

[sir woimz]

All I have to say is. (....) GO PHINS

modedit: I understand not liking other teams but please retrain from starting negative fan wars here. There is plenty of that on other sports boards, civil discussion is the goal here.

[Maawdawg]

So, any guesses as to where Michael Vick will land this year? Also if he does actually land on a roster what role would he play? Would you want him on your team?

My guess is going to be a team that is already established that has a strong head coach with no risk of losing his job. Pittsburgh, NE, etc. Considering he was a coach-killer when he played before all the dog abues and the PR nightmare that followed I could see people being wary of him now.

I see him as a 3rd QB this year with some reps in a wildcat set. If I were a head coach I would make him play special teams too. He is a good athlete with good speed and it will show him he isn't a superstar anymore and needs to work his way back up.

I would take him on the Bears considering behind Cutler they have next to nothing at QB. I mean Caleb Hanie? Really? Vick would b eon the roster and have no visions of taking the starting job because Chicago just unloaded a boatload of picks for their QB.

[sir woimz]

My guess is he will land on some team that trying out the new wildcat formation. I know the phins don't want him, but he's too good of an athlete to pass up on. He could be use in many diff. roles on a team, anyone remember Kordell Stewart.

[Mattpfeil]

I hope to god the Steelers don't take him. I don't care how good of an athlete you are, there are some things you just don't do. He brought all kinds of bad press to the NFL and I don't think he should be allowed to play anymore.

[sir woimz]

I hope to god the Steelers don't take him. I don't care how good of an athlete you are, there are some things you just don't do. He brought all kinds of bad press to the NFL and I don't think he should be allowed to play anymore.

I agree with you, he served his time. But look at Donte Stallworth the guy killed a man and got no time served. The press made a bigger story about Vick then Stallworth.

[Maawdawg]

"Slash" Stewart was a better passer than Vick though, imo. Until he got to the bears that is, then he fell apart.

Vick had terrible accuracy for a Pro QB. The problem with Vick is you don't know how he could run routes so his ability to play WR would be very limited for the first year you had him. He threw to wide receivers but you never know how much he actually studied what they do or understood how to do it himself. Besides that you don't know if his accuracy will be worse after 2 years off at QB and if his already suspect mechanics have got worse without good repetition.

I could see him doing well for 10 plays a game as a wildcat specialist but after a whole offseason of d-coordinators studying that formation who knows if it will even work as well this year. Last year it was doing so much because no one really had packages and formations specialized to defend against it.

This season will be big in showing if that was a 1-2 year flash in the pan or it will be a new trend that sticks around like the West Coast offense or Cover 2 defense did.

[Maawdawg]

I agree with you, he served his time. But look at Donte Stallworth the guy killed a man and got no time served. The press made a bigger story about Vick then Stallworth.

He got off as lenient as he did because the person's family took a cash settlement and didn't fight for strong charges against him. They basically affixed a dollar value and he avoided a civil suit. By doing that and appeasing the family they told the DA they were ok with lesser punishment from what I understand.

The one person that "deserves" play in the NFL least of all is Pacman Jones. Well, him and half the Bengals roster.

[sir woimz]

The wildcat caught everyone by surprise last year, but I don't think it will stick like the west coast. You saw team picking player up as "possible wildcat players" once d-cord pick up on it, it's over. Alot of team think it a good system cuz the phins used it and they went form 1-15 to 11-5

Vick could also be use a KR and PR, I would love to see highlight film of him getting his head knocked off.

[Nicholbert]

The Patriots and the Cowboys can both go die in a fire......Twice.

OMG Matt...a man after my own heart. There aren't two teams in the NFL I hate more. I knew there was something I liked about you :D

[sir woimz]

The one person that "deserves" play in the NFL least of all is Pacman Jones. Well, him and half the Bengals roster.

Pacman is a sad story, what a waste of talent.

[Sw0ll_MC25]

Pacman is a sad story, what a waste of talent.

QFT. Indeed a sad story.


As far as Mike V. goes, I think he will come back someday.

I think their is more to the story then letting Vick back in, and finding a roll for him. I could see a lot of protesters standing outside the gates, protesting the team, coaches, management, even the players. I don't think any coach or GM would want that.

For Vick to come back and start playing right away, he would have to change his name and appearance.

[sir woimz]

For Vick to come back and start playing right away, he would have to change his name and appearance.


He should do what Prince did and change his name to a symbol. I see it now " The OQ formally know as Vick"

[Mattpfeil]

So apparently he signed a 2 year contract with the Eagles. I REALLY don't think that criminals should be allowed to play in the NFL.

[Maawdawg]

That post isn't necessarily all at you Matt, I am just putting up the argument that I have made multiple times already this morning to people in conversations. I am not some insensitive dog hater or anything. I am an animal lover for sure but if someone pays their dues they should at least get a second chance to make their life right, they shouldn't be punished extra because some people feel their crime was worse than another.

The whole point of jail is to rehabilitate people and allow them back into society. He served his time and his suspension. He actually served more time than any "regular person" would have due to his star status. He got 2 years when people don't normally serve any time in dog fighting crimes for a first offense. He also lost an $80 million contract in the case as extra punishment as a direct result of the arrest, which is a pretty harsh secondary punishment. Why should everyone else get a second/third/fourth chance but him?

There are criminals in nearly every form of job so why should only the NFL disallow them? We have people who ran banks and car companies into the ground and literally ruined the world economy, while signing their own giant bonus checks, getting new jobs that are comparable to their old ones. I am much more worried and upset by that than someone who did something far less detrimental to society getting a second chance to play a game.

I think you are seriously underestimating the amount of people who have been arrested that are in the NFL.

So far there are 25 players/former players that have been arrested this year.
http://forums.palmettofootballtalk.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6371083665/m/8261017328

Last year there were 58.
http://forums.palmettofootballtalk.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6371083665/m/3351026717/p/1

I would much rather see someone life Vick get another chance than have him shunned by society for a crime he served his punishment(s) for. The league is littered with people who have got second chances (Leonard Little, Cedric Benson, Tank Johnson, Pacman, Ray Lewis, the Bengals) or more. People really should be outraged about someone like Leonard Little being in the league at all rather than worried about Michael Vick.

Little killed a woman in a DUI in 1988 and was and then proceeded to get another DUI in 2004 after it with almost no punishment from law or the league. Having someone who killed a person and didn't learn anything from it and repeated the same crime during his second chance play is ok for many NFL fans but people are outraged that someone who killed dogs got a second chance. It doesn't make sense to me and is really hypocritical to accept the former and want to fight the latter so much.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/rams/2004-04-26-little-charged_x.htm

People really just get outraged by all the wrong things, imo. Their action and arguing would be much better spent at fixing or at least focusing on much bigger issues than someone playing in the NFL.

[Mattpfeil]

The whole point of jail is to rehabilitate people and allow them back into society. He served his time and his suspension. He actually served more time than any "regular person" would have due to his star status. He got 2 years when people don't normally serve any time. He also lost an $80 million contract in the case as extra punishment basically and is now in bankruptcy. Why should everyone else get a second/third/fourth chance but him?

I don't think there should be a second/third/fourth chance for anyone. If you break the law in a way that is serious enough to go to prison then I think you made your decisions and certain restriction should be put on what you are allowed to do. Athletes are supposed to be role models, they know that their whole life are on display for the general public and should act accordingly.


There are criminals in nearly every form of job, why should the NFL disallow them? We have people who ran banks and car companies into the ground and literally ruined the world economy while signing their own giant bonus checks getting new jobs that are comparable to their old ones. I am much more worried and upset by that than someone who did something far less detrimental to society getting a second chance to play a game.

I think you are seriously underestimating the amount of people who have been arrested that are in the NFL.

So far there are 25 players/former players that have been arrested this year.
http://forums.palmettofootballtalk.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6371083665/m/8261017328

Last year there were 58.
http://forums.palmettofootballtalk.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6371083665/m/3351026717/p/1

Yes, I know quite a few professional athletes have made their mistakes, I have the same opinion about them. They had a chance to do something that many people work their whole lives to accomplish and they chose to break the law and risk it all.

I don't have enough room to talk about the CEO's who bankrupt their companies because they can't sacrifice their standard of living a little bit.


I would much rather see someone life Vick get another chance than have him shunned by society for a crime he served his punishment(s) for. The league is littered with people who have got second chances (Leonard Little, Cedric Benson, Tank Johnson, Pacman, Ray Lewis, the Bengals) or more. People really should be outraged about someone like Leonard Little being in the league at all rather than worried about Michael Vick.

I am not saying that Michael Vick is the worst, if you look at what he did it really isn't that serious. It is that fact that it was illegal. I think that they should hold themselves to a higher standards than the majority of our country seems to do. I was not trying to single him out among the others who got "second chances", he is just the one that I keep hearing about at the moment.


Little killed a woman in a DUI in 1988 and was and then proceeded to get another DUI in 2004 after it with almost no punishment from law or the league. Having someone who killed a person and didn't learn anything from it and repeated the same crime during his second chance play is ok for many NFL fans but people are outraged that someone who killed dogs got a second chance. It doesn't make sense to me and is really hypocritical to accept the former and want to fight the latter so much.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/rams/2004-04-26-little-charged_x.htm
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I personally think that he should be in jail for the rest of his life. People like that make me worry to drive my daughter to the store. I should not have to worry about that, I am going to stop before this turns into a rant about the short comings of our judicial system.


I am not some insensitive dog hater or anything. I am an animal lover for sure but if someone pays their dues they should at least get a second chance to make their life right, they shouldn't be punished extra because some people feel their crime was worse than another.


Its alright, even if it had been directed at me I have always enjoyed a good debate, I prefer religion though. I felt that I needed to explain that it wasn't just ignorance that made me say that, it is actually what I believe. I am not a animal lover to the point that I think his crime was "the worst thing ever", but its only the fact that he broke the law in the first place.

[Magnum]

Guys, who cares? He's with the Eagles. His career is pretty much over now. :D

:rolleyes:

[Maawdawg]

I can see where you are coming from and at least that is your stance across the board and not just aimed at Vick personally as most people I am running into today seem to feel. I just don't agree with you about not allowing second chances in the NFL. It is a business/job that requires specialized skills like any other to me, not something that needs to be held to a higher regard. being a role model is one thing but it still comes down to parents explaining to children situations what went wrong and why they shouldn't be like that person and turning that person's error into a learning experience for their child.

We can get into the religious debate sometime while blowing stuff up in Borderlands, I prefer politics though. :p

[Mattpfeil]

I don't know enough about politics because I cant keep up, they keep changing on me.

[Sw0ll_MC25]

Guys, who cares? He's with the Eagles. His career is pretty much over now. :D

:rolleyes:

So true

[Maawdawg]

Guys, who cares? He's with the Eagles. His career is pretty much over now. :D

:rolleyes:

Nah, now we get to hear the "When will they put in Vick?" speculation and questions every time McNabb has a bad game. They benched him last year when he was going bad. This year will be a mess if Donovan stumbles. The medial will be picking him apart more than before.

[Sw0ll_MC25]

More drama for ESPN = higher ratings

[sir woimz]

Nah, now we get to hear the "When will they put in Vick?" speculation and questions every time McNabb has a bad game. They benched him last year when he was going bad. This year will be a mess if Donovan stumbles. The medial will be picking him apart more than before.

A QB like McNabb doesn't have to worry about who's behind him. He just needs play up to his level, and everything will take care of itself.

[Maawdawg]

Philly fans are hardly forgiving. One 3 pick game and the boo birds come out, Philly fans booed Santa for crying out loud. Shortly after that ESPN has a Michael Vick countdown running and John Clayton will be on TV with his attempted combover speculating.

It shouldn't happen but it will, he got benched last year, it isn't some unheard of thing that could never happen again.

[sir woimz]

Who was it that the Philly pick up in the draft this year. Did they land a WR to help out McNabb?

[Mattpfeil]

I guess we will get to see if it was worth the Eagles picking up Vick.

Eagles Vs. Colts
Fox, 8:00 PM EST

[Magnum]

Nah, now we get to hear the "When will they put in Vick?" speculation and questions every time McNabb has a bad game. They benched him last year when he was going bad. This year will be a mess if Donovan stumbles. The medial will be picking him apart more than before.

My comment was more a dig at the Eagles record for always coming up short and never amounting to anything.

[Nicholbert]

Now how long will Burress have to serve? Do you think he is going to sit in prison for 2 years for his crime? I would bet he is out after a year. These ****ing NFL players are ridiculous. I nearly view the persona of NFL players as I do NBA players...thugs. And don't get me started on Favre. I don't give a **** who he is, or what the guy has accomplished, he has tarnished his legacy in my eyes and anytime I hear his name long after he actually retires and dies, I will always laugh when I hear his name and think about how big of a joke he became.

[Sw0ll_MC25]

Now how long will Burress have to serve? Do you think he is going to sit in prison for 2 years for his crime? I would bet he is out after a year. These ****ing NFL players are ridiculous. I nearly view the persona of NFL players as I do NBA players...thugs. And don't get me started on Favre. I don't give a **** who he is, or what the guy has accomplished, he has tarnished his legacy in my eyes and anytime I hear his name long after he actually retires and dies, I will always laugh when I hear his name and think about how big of a joke he became.

Yeah I agree 100%

As far as the Eagles go I think they picked up Vick for trading leverage... What do u guys think?

[DenyThisFlesh]

Who was it that the Philly pick up in the draft this year. Did they land a WR to help out McNabb?

I believe they got Jeremy Maclin from Missouri.

I can't believe nobody's mentioned Brett Favre going to the Vikings yet. I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone or something.

[SpYderKing]

GO LOINS

Thats right loins 0-16 and i still love them. My dad has had season tickits for 30+ years so its just in the blood.

The loins will win all 16 games and make it to the big show. There by far the best team ever to play the game.
no joking they kick a!@ and take names.

( a seasoned loins fan knows you have get all your trash talk done before the seanon starts)

Stafford looks great, I didnt want him but after waching him in practice he looks good.

One last thing remaber the name Louis Delmas. This guy is like a missle. He has not practiced at all intell yesterday. I saw him and he was killing guys. The coachs pulled him out to tell him to stop hitting so hard.

[Maawdawg]

Wow, I don't know if I would be able to stick it out with a team that had completely inept ownership and management for as long as the Lions have. Kudos to you.

I hope for your sake that they somehow improved their O-line this offseason or Stafford may end up a tackling dummy.

[Sw0ll_MC25]

I believe they got Jeremy Maclin from Missouri.

I can't believe nobody's mentioned Brett Favre going to the Vikings yet. I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone or something.

Favre looked horrible against the Chiefs, but i think that was to be expected.
Tarvaris Jackson looked good, almost out showing Favre, but we'll see when the season takes off.




GO LOINS

Thats right loins 0-16 and i still love them. My dad has had season tickits for 30+ years so its just in the blood.

The loins will win all 16 games and make it to the big show. There by far the best team ever to play the game.
no joking they kick a!@ and take names.

(As a seasoned loins fan knows you have get all your trash talk done before the seanon starts)

Stafford looks great, I didnt want him but after waching him in practice he looks good.

One last thing remaber the name Louis Delmas. This guy is like a missle. He has not practiced at all intell yesterday. I saw him and he was killing guys. The coachs pulled him out to tell him to stop hitting so hard.

Much respect. I'm a huge Barry Sanders fan, played at OSU, went to high school at Wichita East (Kansas)...

I know what it like to be a fan of a team that has struggle for years, Royals...

[SpYderKing]

team that had completely inept ownership

I hope for your sake that they somehow improved their O-line this offseason or Stafford may end up a tackling dummy.

It's not fords fault. Well let me specific, Ford JR was not running the show. The old man was for last 100 years but not now.

Its funny you say that because the o line looks ok. Ya ok and ok is a hell of a lot better then what we did have. Somthing like over 170 sacks in 3 years. I think we will surprize some people with are running game.

edit: Go loins

[Maawdawg]

So, yeah. Last night that Bears/Packers game was so bad I switched to National Geographic to watch a show about a girl who cries blood.

I am almost hoping that the Bears suck this year so they will fire the GM and the coaching staff. I really don't have a problem with Lovie Smith on the defensive side of the ball but Ron Turner is a terrible playcaller on offense and Jerry Angelo couldn't spot a good receiver if if he was trapped in a room alone with Jerry Rice.

[Mattpfeil]

On a happier note, the Panthers and the Dolphins got spanked yesterday.

[Maawdawg]

Ugh, now Urlacher is out for the season, that is a huge loss for the Bears defense. Got to love when week one completely messes up your high hopes for a season. :mad:

[Mattpfeil]

What did you expect? You were hoping for the Bears :rolleyes:


(The smiley shows I am just giving you a hard time, don't banhammer me.)

[Maawdawg]

Oh, I know how it goes for Bears fans. :)

20+ years and counting without a stable offense

[laxfish76]

Go Pats!!!

Lax

[SpYderKing]

Sorry to say but i couldnt be happer that the bears will be missing there best linebacker. I only say this becaus the loins run game needs as much help as they can get. Loins offences looks ok, there is a little bit of hope. The defence looked bad i mean really bad. So heres to hoping for 500 seasone. GO LOINS:o

[PsychoTech]

GO SEAHAWKS!!

Nothing could have been worse than the injury laiden season of yesteryear...but this year is going to be different...it's time for Jim Mora's time!!

HELLZ YEAH! - I still hate Hasselbeck (choke artist) and Fry (It can't be any worse than geting the Browns's left overs)

[Mattpfeil]

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[Sw0ll_MC25]

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The chefs lots lost again, another rebuilding year...

Yes the chefs.

[DenyThisFlesh]

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The chefs lots lost again, another rebuilding year...

Yes the chefs.

They looked pretty bad again today too.

On a happier note, the Vikings winning on a last second TD pass from Favre to Greg Lewis has made my day.

[laxfish76]

PATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTRIOTS!

Lax

[DirkPitt45]

^^ SUUUUCCCKKK

Seahawks cause my gf says she likes them. Football bores me, soccer FTW:p.

[Azsnas]

PATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTRIOTS totally not necessary - maaw
Meg
thts a lot better:D

[laxfish76]

^^ SUUUUCCCKKK

Seahawks cause my gf says she likes them. Football bores me, soccer FTW:p.
Well, sort of. But, Tom Brady is win!

Azsnas, GDIAF.

Lax

[Mattpfeil]

Well, sort of. But, Tom Brady is Lose

Azsnas, You are correct sir.

Meg

Thats better

[laxfish76]

Career QB Ratings
Ben Roethlisberger- 89.3
Tom Brady- 92.5

Ouch?

Lax

[Zutroy]

So the Lions finally won one.

[Maawdawg]

I called that game too, Washington is terrible this year.

[SpYderKing]

The game was great and the score could of been alot higher but i take a win.

[Sw0ll_MC25]

So the Lions finally won one.

I made money:D

[Sw0ll_MC25]

Career QB Ratings
Ben Roethlisberger- 89.3
Tom Brady- 92.5

Ouch?

Lax

No one cares about QB ratings.

[Magnum]

Pitt sucks this year! Yay, I can finally talk smack to my friends saying their team is just as bad if not worse than my team this year...so far. :D

[Maawdawg]

No one cares about QB ratings.

It is all about win/loss % for QBs, of which I am nearly positive that Tom Brady has the best % of all time. :p

[Mattpfeil]

Pitt sucks this year! Yay, I can finally talk smack to my friends saying their team is just as bad if not worse than my team this year...so far. :D

You shut your dirty whorish mouth.:rolleyes:

[Maawdawg]

Pitt sucks this year! Yay, I can finally talk smack to my friends saying their team is just as bad if not worse than my team this year...so far. :D

Pitt needs to get the running game going. For YEARS they have been a power running team but they have been getting away from that and it is starting to show. I like "Big Ben", he is definitely a high end QB. He just needs some help in the backfield right now, imo.

Even so, with a couple different plays they could be 3-0 this year. They are only couple missed FGs and one defensive stop away from it.

[Magnum]

You shut your dirty whorish mouth.:rolleyes:
:o

:p:p:p

[Azsnas]

bears ftw

[Ares]

bears ftw

I approve this message.

[SpYderKing]

Go loins. They look good ( at least in the frist half). By the #'s we can still make it to the playoffs.:D

[Grief]

Broncos bossed the cowboys.

I love making fun of Texans

[Mattpfeil]

bears ftw

NO!!


I approve this message.

What did I just say?


Broncos bossed the cowboys.

I love making fun of Texans

I hate Dallas, and Terrell Owens, but that is another story.

[Sw0ll_MC25]

Chiefs 0-4

They look better with each loss. Ha Ha

[Azsnas]

Chiefs 0-4

They look better with each loss. Ha Ha
Bears 3-1

they look better with every win :D

[DenyThisFlesh]

Jared Allen puts on a pass rush clinic and Brett Favre torches his former team for 3 TDs. The Vikings are 4-0. I couldn't be happier right now as far as football goes. Well, I take that back. I lost a very close game in my fantasy football league due to the TD that the Packers got on defense. I'd be a lot more upset if the Vikings lost though.

[Maawdawg]

Besides Alllen being a very good pass rusher they were using a 3rd string rookie LT against him. They might as well have set him up a little cot and campfire in the backfield with a snack table. Green Bay has a porous O-line and Aaron Rogers needs some serious help or he is going to get hurt. You can't take 8 sacks in a game and stay healthy for a season

It is good to see some good teams in the NFC North now after a long stretch of mediocrity.

The Bears definitely needed their bye week right now to get healthy. Knox, Hester, Idonije, and Hillenmeyer (possibly Pisa as well) should all be back at full strength by their next game. They are good but their depth scares me. They are very thin at WR, LB and CB right now. They are a Tillman injury away from having no way to cover a good receiver and a linebacker injury away from pulling guys out of retirement. It is definitely nice to watch a good QB though, it is something I haven't been able to do with the Bears for 20 years or more.

[Nicholbert]

bears ftw

I like to think of the Bears like the Cubs - Fun to watch and make fun of, but in the end they are always useless. And without Urlacher, their D is barely mediocre. I just hate the Bears.


I approve this message.

*sheaks head* we are going to have to discuss this...


Besides Alllen being a very good pass rusher they were using a 3rd string rookie LT against him. They might as well have set him up a little cot and campfire in the backfield with a snack table. Green Bay has a porous O-line and Aaron Rogers needs some serious help or he is going to get hurt. You can't take 8 sacks in a game and stay healthy for a season

It is good to see some good teams in the NFC North now after a long stretch of mediocrity.

The Bears definitely needed their bye week right now to get healthy. Knox, Hester, Idonije, and Hillenmeyer (possibly Pisa as well) should all be back at full strength by their next game. They are good but their depth scares me. They are very thin at WR, LB and CB right now. They are a Tillman injury away from having no way to cover a good receiver and a linebacker injury away from pulling guys out of retirement. It is definitely nice to watch a good QB though, it is something I haven't been able to do with the Bears for 20 years or more.

Regardless of who was at LT last night, I am pretty sure Allen was going to school them. The Pack looked terrible. Period. Rodgers looked like a scared little girl in the first half. And I can't blame him. If I was getting hit every play, I would look like a deer in headlights too. I wouldn't want to be their O Line coach right now. Had they applied their rush offense as they did the last 5 minutes of the game last night, they may have come out with the W, and little drama queen Favre's Vikings wouldn't be 4-0. I think the loss last night will impact the Pack for a few games, if not haunt Rodgers for the remainder of the season. I have the NFC, especially the north, so AFC East FTW!

[Eleazar]

The Colts are so consistently good that they got more talk last year when they started 3-4 than they are this year when they are 5-0, and dominating both side of that ball.

[Mattpfeil]

I think that they aren't getting any talk this year because everyone realized that they are the Colts, and no one cares about the Colts.:D

Now the Steelers on the other hand, are pure Awesome.

[FoxbaT]

I think that they aren't getting any talk this year because everyone realized that they are the Colts, and no one cares about the Colts.:D

Now the Steelers on the other hand, are pure Awesome.

Peyton Manning >>>>>> Steelers

Do you have any idea why on EA Madden you always play with the QB?

It's because of hardware. To simulate Manning's mind it would take an IBM Supercomputer.

[Mattpfeil]

So, a recap of what I got from this weekend:

1. The Steelers are still made of concentrated badass.
2. The Redskins are getting owned right now.
3. No. 1 again
4. The Panthers need to stop playing because they lost to the Bills that badly.
5. AFC North is raping the league this year.

[Azsnas]

So, a recap of what I got from this weekend:

1. The Bears are still made of concentrated badass.
2. The Redskins are getting owned right now.
3. No. 1 again
4. The Panthers need to stop playing because they lost to the Bills that badly.
5. AFC North is raping the league this year.
:rolleyes:

[Mattpfeil]

NO! Bad Azsnas. Change it back before I have to find you and do unmentionable things to you family. Ask Dope, he knows.

[Magnum]

Just admit that anyone is better than the Steelers right now. You know it's true...:D

[FoxbaT]

Look at this face:

http://greenfieldsports.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/peyton-manning.jpg

Tell me how hard is to know that next week he'll be raping your arses out?

[FoxbaT]

Just admit that anyone is better than the Steelers right now. You know it's true...:D

I've just got Mendenhall for Wes Welker in a fantasy league :D

[Mattpfeil]

Thanks to Batou you all can see what the Bears really like.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0812/surprise-buttsex-funny-demotivational-poster-1229430485.jpg

[Mattpfeil]

Just admit that anyone is better than the Steelers right now. You know it's true...:D

I somehow missed this completely incorrect statement earlier. Pittsburgh is 5-2, how is that bad?

[Magnum]

I somehow missed this completely incorrect statement earlier. Pittsburgh is 5-2, how is that bad?
I guess you don't remember who it was you lost to then. Let's see the Bears and the Bengals. The Bears ok, but THE BENGALS. That was just sad.

Pulse, I just like ragging on them cause they're one of the only teams in the NFL I just plain dislike period.

:D

[Mattpfeil]

Really? You like Dallas and New England over Pittsburgh? That right there proves you are not an American. Cincinnati is 5-2 as well so its really not that big of a deal that we lost to them.

[Magnum]

Really? You like Dallas and New England over Pittsburgh? That right there proves you are not an American. Cincinnati is 5-2 as well so its really not that big of a deal that we lost to them.
I don't mind those two that much. Of course perhaps growing up right in the center of PA with Steeler fans everywhere I turn has jaded me, but either way I don't see how disliking a specific team over any others makes me un-American. That makes a lot of f'n sense...:rolleyes:

[FoxbaT]

I don't mind those two that much. Of course perhaps growing up right in the center of PA with Steeler fans everywhere I turn has jaded me, but either way I don't see how disliking a specific team over any others makes me un-American. That makes a lot of f'n sense...:rolleyes:

But man, pleeeeease, hate the pats fan.

Not sure if you north americans are aware that the NFL and the football itself is becoming really popular here in south america, not as popular as soccer is in US now, but we currently have for about 40 amateur football teams in brazilian territory (just guessing, I think we have more though), so, people are starting to understand the game and their rules.

For example, my city has a team, called "Sorocaba Vipers", and each game brings for about 500 people to watch... this is a lot for a sport that has no professional league around here.

Anyway, all this it to tell you guys that Pats fans in Brazil are known as "Fagg*ts" :D

I am a colts fan btw - believing in blue!

GO COLTS!!

[Zilong]

Go PATS!

[FoxbaT]

Go PATS!

:D :D :D :D :D

GO away !!!!

[Mattpfeil]

I don't mind those two that much. Of course perhaps growing up right in the center of PA with Steeler fans everywhere I turn has jaded me, but either way I don't see how disliking a specific team over any others makes me un-American. That makes a lot of f'n sense...:rolleyes:

I don't have to make sense to make my point, are you new or something? You should know this.

[Azsnas]

Thanks to Batou you all can see what the Bears really like.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0812/surprise-buttsex-funny-demotivational-poster-1229430485.jpg
this is what you should always expect out of Rex Grossman, bending over and taking it in the *** is his personal style :D

unfortunately for you all they dont have grossman anymore but they do have Jay Cutler, the most BA quarterback evar except Brett Favre and Peyton Manning <--you gotta give these two props they are both pretty old, especially Favre, and they are still on top of the league although now that Tom Brady doesn't have a broken foot anymore Patriots might give the Vikings a run for their money, but Vikings are dangerous in the air game, but far more deadly on the ground :D

those are my two cents

[Mattpfeil]

Didnt the Vikings Air and Ground game get shut down by the Steelers?

[DenyThisFlesh]

Didnt the Vikings Air and Ground game get shut down by the Steelers?

Not really. They didn't have a great game running the ball, but they got decent yards. Favre threw for over 300 yards so they certainly didn't shut down the passing game. The Vikings could have and should have won the game, but they turned the ball over twice in the red zone in the 4th quarter and the Steelers defense returned both for touchdowns.

[Azsnas]

Not really. They didn't have a great game running the ball, but they got decent yards. Favre threw for over 300 yards so they certainly didn't shut down the passing game. The Vikings could have and should have won the game, but they turned the ball over twice in the red zone in the 4th quarter and the Steelers defense returned both for touchdowns.
proof that the only reason the stealers win games is by pure luck :D

[Nicholbert]

proof that the only reason the stealers win games is by pure luck :D

quoted for false.

The Steelers are the defending champs lest we forget. Their one of the most balanced teams in the league. Big Ben will air it out, and somehow they are getting yards on the groud with Mendenhall filling in for an ailing (ineffective) Willie Parker. The D is never a question where the Steelers are concerned.

The Pats can go eff themselves. Nobody liked them until Brady's fuc* *** came on the scene, and they started to build. I hate them. HATE.

Dallas is just kind of whatever. The Cokeboys of the 90s has tarnished who they were for me. Aikman was always over rated, and the only player worthy of being a HOF from my era is Emmitt.

The Bengals are certainly something to talk about (I HATE THE PATS) this year however. This is a team who has an outstanding QB, a good receiving core, and finally someone who can run. They haven't had a RB worth shi*t over the last decade or so, and now Jones comes in there lookin like AP last year.

Speaking of Favre and the Vikings. Did you hear? I dreamt Favre flew solo to GB and his plane crashed. He wasn't sure if he was dead or not, so he was going to sit around and think about it until Sunday. I hate him too. Almost as much as the Pats. Have I mentioned I hate the Pats? Just checking.

But I digress. My Bills are awful again this year. When will we ever get a QB again?

[Azsnas]

quoted for false.

The Steelers are the defending champs lest we forget. Their one of the most balanced teams in the league. Big Ben will air it out, and somehow they are getting yards on the groud with Mendenhall filling in for an ailing (ineffective) Willie Parker. The D is never a question where the Steelers are concerned.

The Pats can go eff themselves. Nobody liked them until Brady's fuc* *** came on the scene, and they started to build. I hate them. HATE.

Dallas is just kind of whatever. The Cokeboys of the 90s has tarnished who they were for me. Aikman was always over rated, and the only player worthy of being a HOF from my era is Emmitt.

The Bengals are certainly something to talk about (I HATE THE PATS) this year however. This is a team who has an outstanding QB, a good receiving core, and finally someone who can run. They haven't had a RB worth shi*t over the last decade or so, and now Jones comes in there lookin like AP last year.

Speaking of Favre and the Vikings. Did you hear? I dreamt Favre flew solo to GB and his plane crashed. He wasn't sure if he was dead or not, so he was going to sit around and think about it until Sunday. I hate him too. Almost as much as the Pats. Have I mentioned I hate the Pats? Just checking.

But I digress. My Bills are awful again this year. When will we ever get a QB again?
you may hate favre and brady but you gotta respect what they have done

[Nicholbert]

you may hate favre and brady but you gotta respect what they have done

I don't have to...and from a numbers standpoint, yes, I respect what Favre has done with his career. Brady? No. Why? Cause I don't have to :D

I know what you're saying. But I hate the Pats that much. It almost sickens me to look at a photograph I have of Mantle, Maris, and Ted Williams becuase Williams is a Red Sox. I'm irrational. I know. I took it out of PFeil's book.

[Sw0ll_MC25]

Kansas City </3 Larry Johnson

Knew it would happen, any takers on what team will pick up LJ?

[Mattpfeil]

Go STEELERS!!!!!!

[FoxbaT]

Kansas City </3 Larry Johnson

Knew it would happen, any takers on what team will pick up LJ?

Browns because they had no-one healthy this year

Don't think the Texans will pick him because they should try to recover their stud, Slaton. Also don't think the Pats will pick him because they might don't have CAP room to do it.

He might also land on the Arizona Cardinals because he runs fast and have receiving skills.

Just my oppinion :D

[SpYderKing]

Go loins:confused:

So by the numbers they can still make it to the play offs. They just have to win ever game form here on out.

In the early 90's the team won 9 straight to go to the playoffs and help keep the couchs job.:D

[Mattpfeil]

Its "Lions" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion)

You keep saying "Loins" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loin)

Unfortunately there is quite a difference between the two.

[Maawdawg]

Thank God I don't have the NFL network. I would have thrown a remote through my TV last night if I had watched Cutler throw 5 more picks. Including 2 more red zone ones (9 for the year total now) and one to end the game that should have been the winning touchdown.

The Bears need to clean house. New GM, Jerry Angelo wouldn't be able to spot O-line or WR talent if it stood in front of him and punched him in the face. Lovie Smith can't make in game adjustments, at all. Ron Turner is a terrible offensive coordinator who can't understand he has crap personnel and shouldn't be trying to run the ball up the middle 30 times a game with an O-line that is a mix of scrap heap players and ancient washed up ones.

Now I am going from Bears fan mode to officially writing off this year and hoping they end up like 4-12 so everyone gets fired. :mad:

[FoxbaT]

Thank God I don't have the NFL network. I would have thrown a remote through my TV last night if I had watched Cutler throw 5 more picks. Including 2 more red zone ones (9 for the year total now) and one to end the game that should have been the winning touchdown.

The Bears need to clean house. New GM, Jerry Angelo wouldn't be able to spot O-line or WR talent if it stood in front of him and punched him in the face. Lovie Smith can't make in game adjustments, at all. Ron Turner is a terrible offensive coordinator who can't understand he has crap personnel and shouldn't be trying to run the ball up the middle 30 times a game with an O-line that is a mix of scrap heap players and ancient washed up ones.

Now I am going from Bears fan mode to officially writing off this year and hoping they end up like 4-12 so everyone gets fired. :mad:


Yes the game was horrible. One of the picks was Hester fault because he slept and felt to the ground, making it easier to the cornerback.

Both end zone picks were due to throwing to a double coverage, I mean wtf that guy makes enought money to focus on football game situations only.

Not saying that it's easy to be an QB on the NFL but heck it was toooo obvious that he was going to throw in the middle for his tight end.

My condolescences, man!

[Nicholbert]

Go STEELERS!!!!!!

QFT!


Kansas City </3 Larry Johnson

Knew it would happen, any takers on what team will pick up LJ?

Probably the Bills...they have a new knack for picking up primadonnas.


Its "Lions" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion)

You keep saying "Loins" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loin)

Unfortunately there is quite a difference between the two.

This. It made me laugh. I have a feeling he doesn't feel they are worth of being called Lions, as they are about as ferocious as a lolzkitten...

http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/85c1bb12ab6d9300996687a37a1df966.jpg

[SpYderKing]

Good old dyslexia :D sorry

[Azsnas]

Go STEALERS!!!!!!
:rolleyes: this is a lot better.

[Mattpfeil]

No, The same as last time. No.

[SpYderKing]

Big game coming up for the lions this week. Frist time all year I going into a game I really belive we can win.

[Sw0ll_MC25]

To bad they don't play the Chiefs...

[Azsnas]

Thank God I don't have the NFL network. I would have thrown a remote through my TV last night if I had watched Cutler throw 5 more picks. Including 2 more red zone ones (9 for the year total now) and one to end the game that should have been the winning touchdown.

The Bears need to clean house. New GM, Jerry Angelo wouldn't be able to spot O-line or WR talent if it stood in front of him and punched him in the face. Lovie Smith can't make in game adjustments, at all. Ron Turner is a terrible offensive coordinator who can't understand he has crap personnel and shouldn't be trying to run the ball up the middle 30 times a game with an O-line that is a mix of scrap heap players and ancient washed up ones.

Now I am going from Bears fan mode to officially writing off this year and hoping they end up like 4-12 so everyone gets fired. :mad:

i feel ya, at first i thought lovie smith was gonna be good for them but he turned out to be a failure. oh well, they should just go back to 2 years ago and start to score more than the offense with special teams :D put hester back as the designated punt returner ;)

[Nigel]

Big game coming up for the lions this week. Frist time all year I going into a game I really belive we can win.

should we tell him.....?

[Mattpfeil]

No, I want to watch his dreams crumble from the weight of their own failure.

[Nigel]

GEAUX Saints!

[SpYderKing]

Tell me what?:D Even if the lions get hammerd it, still was a fun week of hope. Just FYI no other team has as many hurt players then the lions.:rolleyes: Its true i did not make that up

[FoxbaT]

I was checking colt´s schedule down the stretch:

W14 vs Denver
W15 @ Jacksonville
W16 vs NY Jets
W17 @ Buffalo

I wanted to analise the chances Indy has fo finishing the regular season unbeatten.

W14 - I don´t think that we will lose to Denver, not on home. Denver is on a good momentum, their D# is better than Colts´, their offense is getting to play well but I believe in the home game advantage. Peyton is on fire with Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garçon and Dallas Clark. Our Running game is averaging more or less 80 yds per game but the tailbacks are scoring TD´s in a regular basis.

W15 - Countless times I have seen the colts leaving for the half-time with 10, 14 points deficit and turn up to have a win on Jaguars home. It´s simple: The jaguards rely too much on the running game. Once MJD get´s tired is easy to hold their momentum. Garrard will be intercepted twice and will get scared to throw the ball for a big play. Then, when the time comes, Peyton manage to strike them.

W16 - The NYJets is the hardest matchup down the stretch. Not sure if we can hold their running offense as they have 2 good halfbacks.

W17 - I don´t believe that we will lose this game. 1 out of 2:

[1] If the Colts is still unbeatted, then, I believe that they will take this matchup seriously and will win the game. The Bills have many problems on offense and defense, and I don´t believe that they will be looking after a spot on the wildcards to the playoff so, the colts can manage to have a win in the last season week.

[2] If Indy lose their invencibility to the Jets, than, of course the team will rest up the starters and then the colts become an easy victim. Even to the Bills.

What do you guys think?

[Nicholbert]

This is a terribly sad story. My thoughts and prayers are with Henry's family and friends. Regardless of this guy's past, he had turned things around and has been called Home. Unbelieveable.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4750615

May you RIP Chris Henry.

[FoxbaT]

This is a terribly sad story. My thoughts and prayers are with Henry's family and friends. Regardless of this guy's past, he had turned things around and has been called Home. Unbelieveable.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4750615

May you RIP Chris Henry.

I'm shocked! I liked Chris Henry, and this year he was doing really nice games before the injury. I'm so sorry that he left this world so soon.

May God receive him on His kingdom and bless his soul. Rest in peace, man!

[Azsnas]

i know that not a lot of people like Chicago, but what is your guys thoughts about Chicago possibly getting Mike Tice as an offensive coach?

i just found out today that Chicago has the most players/coaches in the NFL hall of fame, in a way they are like the stealers(who have the most superbowl wins/appearances)

NFL high of 26 players/coaches, but that is the past, this years so far chosen players for Hall of fame induction ceremony on 8/7 are:


finalists announced Friday included three first-year eligible players (Tim Brown, Jerry Rice and Emmitt Smith); 10 other modern-era players (Richard Dent,Cris Carter, Roger Craig, Dermonti Dawson, Russ Grimm, Charles Haley, Rickey Jackson, Cortez Kennedy, John Randle, Andre Reed and Shannon Sharpe); one head coach (Don Coryell) and two players nominated earlier by the Hall’s Senior Committee (Dick LeBeau and Floyd Little).

a little history for Dent:

For the sixth time in the last seven years, all-time Bears sack leader Richard Dent on Friday was named as one of 15 modern-era finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

The 6-5, 265-pound defensive end led the NFC with a team-record 17½ sacks in 1984 before recording 17 sacks in 1985 while helping the Bears win their first league title in 22 years.

“I think any great defense is really predicated at least in a 4-3 scheme on having an outstanding defensive line and while Dan [Hampton] deservingly is in the Hall of Fame, I think Richard was that piece that gave us the edge to really put pressure on those quarterbacks from the pure pass-rushing position,” said former Bears safety Gary Fencik.

“I think he deserves it as much as anybody else from the defensive end position,” said former Bears guard Tom Thayer. “You go look at any second- or third-and-long scenario or anytime the Bears were ahead and the other team was trying to pass to catch up. Richard was the biggest threat on the Bears defense.”

He was one of the starting Defensive Ends on one of the All-Time best defenses on the 1985 Bears team with Walter Peyton in the SuperBowl XX Win.

[RAziel1979]

get ready for some FOOTBALL BABY!!!

Vikings vs Jets! I'm calling it right now!

[Nicholbert]

get ready for some FOOTBALL BABY!!!

Vikings vs Jets! I'm calling it right now!

That would be the worst Super Bowl ever. I would rather see Saints/Colts. Two very exciting offenses. Great Ds.

Plus I hate Favre. And the Jets. The so gahddam lucky Jets. They wouldn't be here if it weren't for Revis.

Go Saints!

[Ares]

That would be the worst Super Bowl ever. I would rather see Saints/Colts. Two very exciting offenses. Great Ds.

Plus I hate Favre. And the Jets. The so gahddam lucky Jets. They wouldn't be here if it weren't for Revis.

Go Saints!

I agree with this message 100%

[RAziel1979]

ok haters!lol

I want to see the old man Favre vs the young kid Sanchez man! I don't care about who has the better this and that.:)

[exkon]

Looks like the Colts are in and time to see if the Saints have the experience to beat grizzled vet Farve...

[INMATEofARKHAM]

Looks like the Colts are in and time to see if the Saints have the experience to beat grizzled vet Farve...

It ended up being a hell of a game... Really wish that Favre could have won it (especially after that beating he took.) but I'll pull for the Saints versus the Colts. ('m just not a Colts fan.)

[FoxbaT]

http://www.colts.com/images/news_photos/gameday_dump/gameday201001240311351.jpg

Thank you football jesus

[Sw0ll_MC25]

Saints and Colts.

I'm gonna have to go with the Saints.
Just casue Colts have already won a super bowl.

Sadly the team I want to win, and the team that wins is seldom the same. Makes betting easier.

Needless to say I'll be putting money all over the place on this one;)

[exkon]

I'm going for the Colt to win, since I believe the better team.

For anyone that thinks that the Saints are the "underdog" in the game is CRAZY. Both teams are incredbily talented and I think that neither team should be considered an underdog.

[INMATEofARKHAM]

For anyone that thinks that the Saints are the "underdog" in the game is CRAZY. Both teams are incredbily talented and I think that neither team should be considered an underdog.So are you willing to take the Saints straight up in a bet with no points? :D

All joking aside it should be a great game...

[FoxbaT]

It will surely be a great game. It may not be as epic as past superbowl was, but I think it's going to be really explosive.

I just can't think on anything else without thinking again about the superbowl.... oh my