Batman: A Superhero or a Fraud?

[Warblade]

Batman, even though he can kick a**, is he really a superhero? He is a normal person with a bunch of gadgets. As opposed to Superman who has actual powers and doesnt need anything special to fight crime. Iron Man is an exception cause he is so God damn cool. If anyone cares to post your opinion against or agreeing with my accusation of Batman not being a superhero, please do.

Thanx,

disastr

[Hawk280]

I think Batman is a super hero in a sense.

I say this because he has an incredible ability to rigidly stick to his one rule of not killing anyone. Some might say that it is his weakness yet it shows how one mans dream (yes a very rich man) can lead oneself to fight crime and yet stick to his morals.

[Redenbacher09]

What he is, is a human with an unfaltering vision and extensive combat training. He has no 'super powers', but what he does have is a super huge helping of will power.

He has his gadgets, and they are a huge part of the strategy, but I would not consider him a super hero. He is a hero at the least, and that goes without saying.

Ironman is the same story as Batman, just more money (?) and an amazing exoskeleton.

[Wiiggin]

Batman is totally a superhero. Superman, on the other hand, is totally a fraud (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/03/17/episode-1106-from-a-certain-point-of-view/).

[Shaynard]

He's a Hero. for sure... I think he's Super... but does that make him a Super Hero?.. Alfred is though.. :)

[Redenbacher09]

Batman would be nothing without Alfred. Now there's a superhero.

[JacobChulainn]

He's Sherlock Holmes with a bat theme, and played by Iron Man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AgB-aSiVYk

[Shikamaru07]

wait, wait, wait

this isnt my batman cup

lol

Batman is super rich

that is his super power

[Warblade]

Batman would be nothing without Alfred. Now there's a superhero.

true

/disastr

[iron]

Superman isn't a super hero..He can't be hurt, how hard is it to fight crime when your bullet proof and the only way you can be hurt is if they manage to find a piece of your planet that fell to earth.

Batman has the chance of dying every time he puts on the cape and mask.

Which is more heroic.

[AKAtheMilkman]

Batman, even though he can kick a**, is he really a superhero? He is a normal person with a bunch of gadgets. As opposed to Superman who has actual powers and doesnt need anything special to fight crime. Iron Man is an exception cause he is so God damn cool. If anyone cares to post your opinion against or agreeing with my accusation of Batman not being a superhero, please do.

Thanx,

disastryes batman is a super hero... and so are all these
DC Comics heroes



Anarky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarky) (M) (gadgeteer, fighter, polymath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymath))
Arrowette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrowette) (F) (archer, athlete)
Arsenal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Harper_%28comics%29) (M) (ex-intelligence agent, weaponer, Hwa Rang Do master, archer)
Golden Age Atom (M) (pint-sized street fighter, adventurer)
Blackhawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackhawk_%28comics%29) (various pilots and adventurers)
Batgirl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batgirl), a moniker in DC Comics

Bat-Girl (Bette Kane) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bette_Kane) (F) Golden Age Batgirl
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Gordon) (F) (genius, librarian, martial artist, computer expert)
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batgirl_%28Cassandra_Cain%29) (F) (martial arts master, assassin)


Batman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman) (M) (martial arts master, detective, inventor, master strategist, billionaire)

Batman (Terry McGinnis) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_%28Terry_McGinnis%29), in some continuities, the second Batman
Batman (Tim Drake) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titans_Tomorrow#Titans_West_members), the former Robin replaces Batman in some continuities


Batwoman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batwoman) (F) (a moniker of female near-equivalents to Batman)
Blue Beetle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Beetle) Ted Kord (M) (athlete, inventor)
Booster Gold (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booster_Gold) (M) (athlete, uses *stolen* advanced technology)
Bronze Tiger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Tiger) (M) (martial arts master)
Catwoman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catwoman) (F) (master thief, judo expert, gymnast, whip master)

Catwoman (Holly Robinson) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catwoman_%28Holly_Robinson%29) (F) second Catwoman


Golden Age Crimson Avenger (M) (gunman, fighter, investigator)
Doctor Mid-Nite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Mid-Nite) (M) (doctor, surgeon, fighter)
Richard Dragon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dragon) (M) (The ultamate master of the martial arts within the DC Universe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Universe))
Empress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_%28comics%29) (F) (fighter, voodoo practitioner)
Gangbuster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangbuster_%28comics%29) (M) (police officer, martial artist)
Green Arrow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Arrow) (master archer, arsenal of trick arrows, hand-to-hand combat training, swordsman)
Guardian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_%28DC_Comics%29) (M) (security guard, fighter)
Human Target (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Target) (M) (master of disguise, gunman, martial artist)
Huntress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huntress_%28comics%29) (F) (martial artist, weaponer, gymnast)
Jonah Hex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah_Hex) (M) (gunman, horseman, fighter, tracker)
Katana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana_%28comics%29) (F) (master swordsman, fighter)
Manhunter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunter_%28comics%29) (M & F) (fighter, gunman, investigator, bounty hunter)
Mister Miracle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Miracle) (M) (inventor, fighter, master escape artist)
Mr. Terrific (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Terrific_%28comics%29) (M) (doctor, scientist, Olympic athlete, gymnast, fighter)
Nemesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemesis_%28DC_Comics%29) (M) (U.S. operative, gunman, master of disguise)
Nightwing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Grayson) (M) (master martial artist,strategist, detective, worlds greatest gymnast)
Onyx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onyx_%28comics%29) (F) (assassin, archer, gymnast, martial artist)
Oracle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Gordon) (F) (master strategist, leader, investigator)
Robin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_%28comics%29), a moniker in DC Comics

Dick Grayson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Grayson), later Nightwing (M) (martial artist, gymnast)
Jason Todd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Todd), later Red Hood (M)
Robin (Tim Drake) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_%28Tim_Drake%29) (M)
Stephanie Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_%28comics%29), aka Spoiler (F)


Savant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savant_%28comics%29) (M) (gymnast, fighter, strategist, genius)
Sandman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandman_%28Wesley_Dodds%29) (1940s mystery man who used special knockout gas guns)
Shining Knight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shining_Knight)
Speedy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedy), DC Comics moniker for Green Arrow sidekicks (expert archers and martial artists)
Roy Harper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Harper_%28comics%29), later Aresenal and Red Arrow (M)
Mia Dearden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedy_%28Mia_Dearden%29) (F)
Spoiler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_%28comics%29) (F) (trained as Robin the Girl-Wonder)
Squire (F) (swordsman, expert in all forms of communication)
The Question (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question_%28comics%29) (M) (Genius intelligence, Brilliant detective with superior inquisitive mind and deductive reasoning, Master martial artist)
Unknown Soldier (M) (U.S. operative, master gunman/marksman, weaponer, martial artist)
Vigilante (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigilante_%28comics%29) (M) (rider, gunman, marksman)
V, V For Vendetta (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=V,_V_For_Vendetta&action=edit&redlink=1) (Uses knives and bombs against a fascist Britain government)
Wildcat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_%28comics%29) (boxing champ, athlete)





except sandman, hes a punk :mad:

[SuperJay]

Which is more heroic.

Ding ding ding!

(Other than that, this just seems to be a quibble over semantics, no?)

[Null17]

Ironman is the same story as Batman, just more money (?) and an amazing exoskeleton.

Except with super intelligence. Stark is a genius raised to the 1,000,000 power. Seriously.

Both are awesome, though.

[Guirec730]

Batman is essentially the Punisher in DC form (and without the death penalty applied) and the Punisher has been known to kill every character in the Marvel universe.*

*though it might not be canon :D

[exkon]

Why would one even ask a question?

Batman is a SUPERHERO bar-none.

[batosai]

Their is a big diffrence in "Superhero" and "Crimefighter"! Batman is no "superhero" or "Fraud", he's a "Crimefighter" working to keep the streets of Gotham safe at night!:p

[iron]

:rolleyes:

What do you define superhero as batosai?

[batosai]

Some kind of "Power" to make you "Super" "HUMAN" an use it for the benifit of mankind.(or something along those lines):p

[iron]

So you need to be either an experiment, mutant, or alien? :rolleyes:

[batosai]

How many "superhero's" can you think of that were just "Human"? So I would say yup, yup!

[iron]

The Punisher, Batman, Maverick, Bishop, Ironman.

Just off the top of my head.

[batosai]

Again not "super" only legandary "crimefighters" without "superpowers"!:p

[iron]

My definition of superhero is not the same as yours. ;)

[batosai]

Your right, its not.:( Those are all "Suburbanhero's" instead of "superhero's" IMO. But I will give them the credit of saving the day for someone. Ironman don't count he's an Avenger!(even though he's in the same boat as Batman) I think the only way to be a hero and still be completly human is to be......a Fireman, lol.

[exkon]

Batman is not just ordinary crimefighter. He's saved the world plenty of times over. While most of his adventures are in Gotham City, he's been an essential part of the Justice League.

The term hero/superhero has it's own definitions for everyone.

[SuperJay]

So yes, a quibble over semantics.

Besides, Batman will kick your a**. But if you're going to split hairs, Iron Man belongs in a different category, due to the suit, which effectively gives him super-powers.

I don't remember all the categories, but back when I was a kid playing the Marvel RPG (or more recently in a game like City of Heroes), your characters were allocated to a specific origin - like mutant (Wolverine), "accident" / science (Spider-Man), natural (Batman), mechanical / techology (Iron Man). Despite Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne both being normal humans without "powers," the Iron Man suit effectively gives Stark those powers, so that's not really a direct comparison.

[Guirec730]

Didn't Batman beat the Hulk in a crossover?

How is that not super!?

[Warblade]

Because the Hulk felt bad for the wimpy rodant with wings.

[exkon]

It was Superman vs The Hulk, the hulk lost.

If anyone doubts Batman, read JLA: The Tower of Babel.

He basically has backup plans to take down EVERY member of the JLA if they ever go rogue.

[Just2Random]

Aren't mutants technically humans with altered genes?

[iron]

If anyone doubts Batman, read JLA: The Tower of Babel.I second. Good read.


Aren't mutants technically humans with altered genes? Aren't humans technically chimps with altered genes?

[MADDGOAT]

Burn. That is all.

[iron]

You love it shut up.

[MADDGOAT]

Aren't humans technically chimps with altered genes?

That was what I was referring to.

[iron]

I know.

/10char.

[Artemis32]

Batman has the chance of dying every time he puts on the cape and mask.
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Have you read When Kingdom Come?

Bruce Wayne is portrayed in that with a Metal Exoskeleton which is literally holding him together, due to all the beatings over the years.