Deadliest Warrior (Warning outcome spoilers!!!)

[Guirec730]

Anybody watch this show? I caught Apache Vs. Gladiator last night and it was pretty fun. Silly and boorish, but fun.

This Tuesday night on Spike is Viking Vs. Samurai, which is why I decided to DVR the series.

If you haven't seen it, the show involves demonstrations of martial prowess by experts on ancient combat who talk a lot of trash to each other and then show off their chosen warriors close, medium, and long range weapons, plus a "special" weapons category on targets, dummies, and sensors that feed into a computer that runs a thousand simulated one on one fights between them.

Apache beat Gladiator by a few hundred bouts, by the way. Tomahawk beats Cestus, but Trident and Net beat Throwing Knives. Apache Bow beat Gladiator Sling (duh), but Gladiator Sica beat Apache War Club in special weapons. In the end, the Apache affinity for close range speed against the Gladiator's unarmored chest was what did the job.

As far as Vikings Vs. Samurai, well, I don't know of any warrior class in the world that could take on a 7 foot berserker slamming a few dozen pounds of hardened steel into them. Maybe a medieval knight, but the Romans needed legions to take these guys.

Oh, and you KNOW the season finale is going to be Ninjas Vs. Pirates. :p

[Beyond Birthday]

I don't see how Ninja could lose against pirates.

I mean, the only thing pirates have that ninja don't, is stolen high-tech weaponry, even then, it's an up-hill battle for them.

Ninjas are just faster, stronger, and stealthier (is that a word? :confused:)

[Guirec730]

I really hope stealthier is a word, because I use it everyday. Hourly, maybe.

Pirates are too scrubby to fight any warrior class, let's be real.

[Beyond Birthday]

On second thought, if they kept the ninjas at a distance, with long-range weaponry, they might stand a chance.

But...if the Ninjas get in melee range, game over :p

[The Oblivion]

On second thought, if they kept the ninjas at a distance, with long-range weaponry, they might stand a chance.

But...if the Ninjas get in melee range, game over :p

how would they keep the ninja's at any distance?

they are ninja's. you dont see them until its to late lol

[Beyond Birthday]

Canon fire is pretty bright :p

especially when your cannon balls are dipped in tar and lit aflame

[The Oblivion]

Canon fire is pretty bright :p

especially when your cannon balls are dipped in tar and lit aflame

ninja stars are kinda rough when lodged in your eyeball (especially when you have a patch on the other eye)

[Beyond Birthday]

Now that I can't argue with haha.

But pirates still have a chance, if you ask me

[Guirec730]

The show doesn't take stealth into consideration, though. It's all about a stand-up fight. For that reason I was pretty sure the Apache was gonna be iced by the Gladiator.

The ninja has stronger ranged weapons. Pirates have flintlock weapons, which aren't any more accurate over long distances than kunai, and they take two minutes to reload.

[Guirec730]

ninja stars are kinda rough when lodged in your eyeball

A ninja star in an eyeball is A) improbable and B) not fatal. I guess it works if you only have one eye to target, but Shuriken had other applications.

[Beyond Birthday]

The show doesn't take stealth into consideration, though. It's all about a stand-up fight. For that reason I was pretty sure the Apache was gonna be iced by the Gladiator.

The ninja has stronger ranged weapons. Pirates have flintlock weapons, which aren't any more accurate over long distances than kunai, and they take two minutes to reload.

Pirates also loaded cannons with stuff they found their ships, like silverware (so it was basically a MASSIVE shotgun), and not to mention the dual-ball-chained cannon weapon of devestation (I hope you know what I'm talking about :p)

[Guirec730]

Cannons aren't much for one-on-one combat. A little circle strafing and you are good.

[Beyond Birthday]

Well, I was mostly assuming the pirates and Ninjas were a decent distance away.

Maybe I need to watch this show >_>

[Guirec730]

It's lots of fun. Especially when they break out the simulated human tissue. You get to see what a tomahawk would do to a brain, or what a trident would do to a torso, complete with realistic blood and gristle spatter.

[Randalthor]

will check it out online not sure if its on uk tv

[DenyThisFlesh]

how would they keep the ninja's at any distance?

they are ninja's. you dont see them until its to late lol

Ninjas would still win from a distance. They are experts with bows and arrows too.

I watched the first episode of this and it was pretty interesting. I'm not surprised that the Apache won. Apache warriors were brutally efficient killers. Gladiators did everything for show. I knew if the Apache could get in close with a knife the gladiator didn't stand a chance.

[Purple Gryphon]

I was interested in this. Looks like a great battle tonight. of course my money is on Samurai. But ninjas are the ultimate warrior.

We need to send in some ninjas to get rid of those Somali Pirates taking ships these days. I guess the Seals are the US version of ninjas.

Ninjas would definately take the pirates in a real scenario. They would just stalk them till they got drunk and fell asleep then sneak on the ship and slit their necks in the middle of the night. duh. Ninjas would also win in a one on one sword fight.

Mythbusters did a show with the alt loads in cannons and they were only affective at very short range and no ninja worth his sandals would stand infront of a loaded cannon watching the wick burn down. LOL.

[JacobChulainn]

The Apache won by more than a few hundred, he had almost double the wins of the gladiator. I called it correctly, and will make a prediction tonight that the viking will win out.

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk283/JacobChulainn/pirateninja.jpg

[Guirec730]

I've been thinking about this all day, and I'm calling it for the Vikings, too. Even though the Samurai were more modern, I just don't see how they could hang at any range other than long (Samurai had better bows, methinks).

Medium range? MAYBE a naginata could hold off against a battle axe or two handed hammer. It would be faster, and Vikings weren't much for body armor...but if the Viking were using a spear, that might even it up.

Close range? Katanas are fast and good quality steel, but they were only ever used against peasants and other katanas...not against the fiery rage of a war-drunk 'zerker double fisting a sword and hand axe.

Special weapons...hmm...I can't venture about what is going to be in this category.

[JacobChulainn]

Samurai won by 50 wins, the closest fight we'll probably see this season.

Great Axe beat Katana.

Long Sword beat Naginata.

Yumi(Japanese Longbow) beat Spear.

Japanese Two-Handed Club beat Viking Shield(though there was a disagreement over this category given the fact the club only took off a small chunk of the shield, and in the replay you see about a dozen of the metal studs from the club go flying off from the impact).

Next week's episode is Spartan vs. Ninja, unless the Ninja wins the same way the samurai did(with leg shots) I doubt they'll win.

[Hawk280]

Oh man the spartan ninja one will be good.
Epic Spartans versus awesome ninjas.

I say Spartans if only for the awesomeness that was 300.

[JacobChulainn]

In the Viking/Samurai episode the samurai could do very little against viking armor, the samurai in the dramatization wins by getting in a shot on the unprotected leg of the viking. I don't think Ninja will do any better versus Spartan breastplates, shields, and helmets considering spartans also used shin guards to protect their legs.

[Purple Gryphon]

I am definately calling Ninja next week. I love the Spartans but this is a one on one fight. The greatest advatage the spartans have is teamwork, so if it was a spartan brigade vs a gang of ninjas maybe, but one on one it is Ninja. They have so many tools and tricks, but again they probably will not count stealth as an asset which is the Ninja's ace card.

[JacobChulainn]

I am definately calling Ninja next week. I love the Spartans but this is a one on one fight. The greatest advatage the spartans have is teamwork, so if it was a spartan brigade vs a gang of ninjas maybe, but one on one it is Ninja. They have so many tools and tricks, but again they probably will not count stealth as an asset which is the Ninja's ace card.

They also won't use many of those tricks, the only things they program into the computer are weapons, armor, and terrain. Strategy, and tactics are not included.

Their "cutting edge" computer software is the Total War unit stat calculator, the same one that has won awards for being both a game engine and historical tool.

[Guirec730]

Had tactics been included, Samurai would have been toast. Samurai tactics were pretty simple.

I still stand by my assumption that a Samurai would have no context for how to fight someone two feet taller than them, and they made no mention of Viking Berserker's mindsets in combat.

I am already starting to tire of the trash talk that they clearly coerce the participants into. No martial artists should talk smack, and I'm going to be saddened when they make the Shaolin guys do it.

Wonder who they will be up against? Medieval knights? Better knock 'em down.

As far as Spartans Vs. Ninjas, the status quo is set: societies that lasted longer into the modern age had better tools and training, so it's gonna be ninjas. That, and huge white guys never win against tiny quick guys.

[Bloodwrath970]

I've been stoked for this show, and missed the first two episodes. i planned to stay up and watch, but i missed it both times. im DETERMINED to see this one, cause Spartans are my favorite warriors of all time ('cept maybe Army Rangers, but it's a close call).

[JacobChulainn]

Results of Spartan vs. Ninja,
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Spartan 65% of wins.

Ninja 35% of wins.

Spartan armor, and his shield were the biggest advantages.

Next week's episode, Pirate vs. Medieval Knight.

Pirate is my called outcome, they were known to use crude forms of hand grenades.

[Purple Gryphon]

Anyone who picks pirate on this website is a traitor. :D

[JacobChulainn]

Pirates catch all the gay jokes but ninja come from a society that make girly videogame characters, and samurai were huge c*cklovers.

[MADDGOAT]

So... When do you think we'll get to cavemen versus astronauts? ;)

[JacobChulainn]

Knights would be familiar with firearms, the Knights of St. John beat the Ottoman Empire for instance.

[Bloodwrath970]

Once again, going for who i think will lose: Ye Olde Knight. the pirate will most likely win though.

[DenyThisFlesh]

I don't know. I really think the Knights will take this one, simply because the battles always end up as a face to face brawl and Knights have armor and a shield.

[Guirec730]

Knights are simple: knock them down.

I don't know jack about Pirates, but I don't really care about this one. The show is kind of getting on my nerves now, with all the unnecessary trash talk.

I did respect the ninja dudes for not mouthing off. At least they presented themselves like martial artists.

Shaolin versus...whoever will be my next show to get excited over.

[JacobChulainn]

Pirate vs. Knight Results
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Winner: Pirate(629)
Loser: Knight(371)

Best finish of any re-enactment, pirate flips open the knights visor, puts the gun to his head and pulls the trigger.

[Guirec730]

What is next week?

[JacobChulainn]

Mafia vs. Yakuza

I don't know much about the Yakuza of the 1930's, so not ready to make a prediction(3-1 so far).

[CannabisPrime]

It was no contest. A knight is a close range combatant, a pirate has guns. It was a case of more advanced technology winning out.


I'm interested in The Yakuza vs. The Mafia one. I have this feeling the Yakuza will win.

[JacobChulainn]

I think it'll boil down to stopping power(mafia, .45) vs. penetration power(yakuza, 9mm).

Plus some American gangsters wore early forms of bullet proof vests, I don't think the Yakuza had access to the technology.

[Guirec730]

Two words:

Tommy guns.

[Father Diablo]

This show is deff cool in how they brake down a warriors arsenal and chit but ya there deff is no way of telling in real life how one warrior would do against an other unles the best in the world actually fought against each other. Like the one show was Ninja vs Spartan. A tru Spartan would waste a ninja in a heart beat with the smallest of blows but because of the ninjas more diverse arsenal and quick and skillful attacks i think the ninja won.

[hitemhigh]

This show is deff cool in how they brake down a warriors arsenal and chit but ya there deff is no way of telling in real life how one warrior would do against an other unles the best in the world actually fought against each other. Like the one show was Ninja vs Spartan. A tru Spartan would waste a ninja in a heart beat with the smallest of blows but because of the ninjas more diverse arsenal and quick and skillful attacks i think the ninja won.

qft/

except the whole ninja vs. spartan thing. a ninja wouldnt fight a spartan because thats not what a ninja's about....he's the equivelent of a modern day spy. no, not james bond where he fights everyone. someone who is supposed to remain under the radar.


and they also lived in two completely seperate places so thats one thing that bothers me about the show. i mean, maybe a samurai could kill a viking....but it wouldnt matter because they would never run into each other.

[Guirec730]

I just want to point out that James Bond actually used to sneak around and stuff.

Pre-Quantum of Nonsense.

[Foley08]

I like the new bad *** in your face kicking *** and taking names Bond.

[Guirec730]

He just charges at everyone at everything like a bull. I swear, in every action scene in Quantum he survives by mere luck.

[Foley08]

He just charges at everyone at everything like a bull. I swear, in every action scene in Quantum he survives by mere luck.

well, I never actually saw Quantom. and everyone knows Goldeneye is the best of the series. Pierce Brosnan was the mannnnnnn

[hitemhigh]

sure if your a 12 yo girl. connery ftmfw

[Foley08]

Connery was awesome too man, him and Brosnan are the best Bonds, IMO.
Connery was in my favorite movie man, The Rock!
Anyone ever see that movie? just completely awesome

anyway, to stay on topic, how on earth would they make that battle interesting? they both have guns... yakuza vs mafia... they walk out and blast each other, game over.

[JacobChulainn]

If I haven't made it clear, I am backing the Mafia in the next episode. Which airs in one hour, eastern time for those who forgot.

[Foley08]

mafia's gotta win

[hitemhigh]

my moneys with mafia, but the yakuza are pretty damn hardcore.
i wouldnt mess with either one.

[JacobChulainn]

Mafia: 58%

Yakuza: 42%

4-1 on my predictions now.

Next week's episode: Green Berets vs. Spetsnaz(Backing Spetsnaz all the way.)

[hitemhigh]

i dont know. what do the spetznaz specialize in? cuz GB's are counter guerilla warfare

[Draegloth187]

and they also lived in two completely seperate places so thats one thing that bothers me about the show. i mean, maybe a samurai could kill a viking....but it wouldnt matter because they would never run into each other.

*knocks on the screen*
You do know thats what the show is about right?

Putting up to warriors (a term used loosely in the show) who would never fight one another in real life. If you want two different types of warriors fighting one another who would come across one another. Go watch the history channel.


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Thoughts on the show:
I like the idea, but how they add their data makes the show lose its worth.
They only go by firepower/strength of the warrior.

It's not the case. Ninjas and Apaches always attacked in groups. They even say it/showed it on the show.
I was very disappointed in the show with Ninjas vs Spartans. Ninjas are used to attacking armored enemies. The Spartans showed more "skin" then Samurai. They didnt account for that. Which goes back to how the data is entered. I'm not saying the Ninjas should of won.

It's the simple fact that how the data is entered. They dont account for anything else.
I do like the show, but as someone said. The trash talk is getting annoying. Why cant these people just have respect for one another. One show this happen, but only one side, and it didnt last for long when the other side didnt show it back.

It is TV which we have to remember and ratings are everything in this world. So many they tell them to trash talk.
They made vikings look like gaint retards. There is more to them then that. We know it. They wouldnt be in our history if thats all they were.

I dunno, the show gets on my nerves and my biggest problem is data entry and i'm sure some of you thought the same.
I was rooting for the Samurai because they have skill and are trained more strictly then a viking would. They say vikings trained everyday, but when you are among a class of people who were "out for their own". You know training didnt happen much. After all a teacher might teach a young viking how to kill him if they got into a fight.

Anyone can beat anyone with the right training and being prepared. I doubt a Samurai is going to carry that gaint club (forgot the name) where ever they go.

I'm sure u guys get my point. It's a cool idea, and i'll still watch it, but I'll set it on record and watch it when i'm in the mood to hear trash talk. Like we saw in the Mafia one. On that simple thats all they did. I wanted the Yakuza to win

[hitemhigh]

*knocks on the screen*
You do know thats what the show is about right?

Putting up to warriors (a term used loosely in the show) who would never fight one another in real life. If you want two different types of warriors fighting one another who would come across one another. Go watch the history channel.

i actually watch the history channel alot.
but my problem is this. you cant compare two different types of wariors who waged war against diff. enemies with diff. weapons and armor for this reason: they are different.
a spartan fights differently than a samurai because they had two different styles of war. same with every other fighting culture and warrior.

[Draegloth187]

i actually watch the history channel alot.
but my problem is this. you cant compare two different types of wariors who waged war against diff. enemies with diff. weapons and armor for this reason: they are different.
a spartan fights differently than a samurai because they had two different styles of war. same with every other fighting culture and warrior.

you've failed to see the point of the show.

[hitemhigh]

no, i can understand their point but its a stupid and flawed one. different cultures have developed diff. fighting methods to deal with their own enemies.
a greek shield wall, a persian chariot, english longbowmen....you see what i mean? i could say that a samurai would be a spartan...but thats because a spartans strength isnt in single combat or in ranged combat. its because he fights as a unit.

[JacobChulainn]

The History Channels card game Anachronism is the same concept as Deadliest Warrior, except you can change weaponry between the different historical leaders. Such as giving Sitting Bull the sword Excalibur.

[Draegloth187]

The opening show even says "what if two warriors".......


Its on all "what if". Ignore all those little facts u know in your head about cultures.
If u cant ignore it. Then ignore the show.

[hitemhigh]

what if an olympic runner and a nascar driver got into a fist fight? they both race, so what if its in two completely different ways against completely different opponents.

thats my problem with the show.

now, my derailment over, what kind of unit are the spetznaz?

[JacobChulainn]

now, my derailment over, what kind of unit are the spetznaz?

The guys you call when you need a high terrorist body count. The lives of the hostages are typically only a secondary objective.

[hitemhigh]

so they're more counter terrorism?

[JacobChulainn]

Counter terrorism is counter guerrilla warfare if that's what you're getting at.

[hitemhigh]

no...its not? guerrilla warfare isnt terrorism....its guerilla warfare.

[Father Diablo]

qft/

except the whole ninja vs. spartan thing. a ninja wouldnt fight a spartan because thats not what a ninja's about....he's the equivelent of a modern day spy. no, not james bond where he fights everyone. someone who is supposed to remain under the radar.


and they also lived in two completely seperate places so thats one thing that bothers me about the show. i mean, maybe a samurai could kill a viking....but it wouldnt matter because they would never run into each other. Yah i hear u man, i deff like how they brake things down and chit but u only will find out ones outcome if they were to fight.

[Father Diablo]

no...its not? guerrilla warfare isnt terrorism....its guerilla warfare. lol Yah G warfare and terrorism r 2 diff things. Guerrilla warfare is like whn we went to vietnam, the way they attacked us and ran, terrorism is when benlodin sent men to highjack out planes and crash them into our buildings.

[JacobChulainn]

You're all forgetting that terrorists don't just attack cities, they have standing ground forces that heavily use Guerrilla warfare. It's why the U.S. military recently wrote and handed out a guide on how to successfully wage their own guerrilla warfare starting with gaining local support.

So yes, anti-terrorism can be anti-guerrilla warfare because guerrilla warfare is a big part of terrorist military strategy.

[hitemhigh]

You're all forgetting that terrorists don't just attack cities, they have standing ground forces that heavily use Guerrilla warfare. It's why the U.S. military recently wrote and handed out a guide on how to successfully wage their own guerrilla warfare starting with gaining local support.

So yes, anti-terrorism can be anti-guerrilla warfare because guerrilla warfare is a big part of terrorist military strategy.

i disagree. guerrilla warfare relies heavily upon having the backing of the local populace. you cant hold their support or loyalty if your terrorising them. while terrorists may use some guerrila tactics, they are undeniably seperate.

[JacobChulainn]

Terrorists do have the majority of local support in some areas, why the hell do you think they are sitting 60 miles outside Pakistans capital right now? They don't terrorize the local population, they terrorize U.S. troops, etc and opposing factions.

[Bloodwrath970]

BACK ON TOPIC: Spetz are pretty equal in terms of versatility of the GB's. The Spetz GRU are like our Delta Force. They are some damn fine soldiers, and go through intense training, that would not be even allowed, for ethical reasons, in America. I have a feeling that if the Spetz and SF go head to head, we are going to lose to Russia.

[TheRallyKiller]

If you want a real great look into warrior culture watch Warriors on the History channel Thrusday nights 9pm CST with Terry Schappert (currently special forces).

He visits various warrior cultures, famous battle sites, etc. and discusses tactics, weaponry, mind set with historians, weapon experts, scientists and gives the viewer a great look at fighting, strategy, and the culture(s) in general.

The one that was really cool was the episode about vikings and Olaf The Red. Terry shows how viking weaponry was utllized and actually melees with weapons experts to give you an idea of what fighting was like.

Check it out.

[Bloodwrath970]

My Ex is trying to argue with me that the Swiss Guard is better than the Spetsnaz.

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/610697/982674.jpg

my case and point. That's basic training, by the way, standard drilling procedure.

[hitemhigh]

My Ex is trying to argue with me that the Swiss Guard is better than the Spetsnaz.

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/610697/982674.jpg

my case and point. That's basic training, by the way, standard drilling procedure.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7125/thislooksshoppedl.jpg

[JacobChulainn]

The episode airs tonight, we'll find out who wins at 10pm est.

[Bloodwrath970]

no, thats real. seen documentaries on spetz. that would not be far out of line with their training. i know one part is to flip off a tower thingy, with a machine gun in hand, and once they land, light a target up. fun.

[JacobChulainn]

Full Episode: http://www.spike.com/full-episode/green-beret-vs/32039

Mossberg(Underdog, Berets) > Saiga(Advantage, Spetsnaz)

RGO(Grenade Underdog, Spetsnaz) > M67(Grenade Advantage, Berets)

E-Tool(Entrenching Shovel, Underdog, Berets) > Ballistic Knife(Spring Loaded Blade, Advantage, Spetsnaz)

M4A1 Carbine(Rifle, Berets) <TIE> AK74 Carbine(Rifle, Spetsnaz)

Dragunov(Sniper Platform, Underdog, Spetsnaz) > M24(Sniper Platform, Advantage, Berets) ** Both rifles hit their 5 targets with headshots, the M24 shooter was slightly more accurate. **

Beretta(9mm Pistol, 15 Rounds(Conventional Holster, Not easily concealed, Underdog), Berets) > Makarov(9mm Pistol, 8 Rounds(Quickdraw Holster, Concealable, Advantage), Spetsnaz)

Notes: Not much trash talking this episode, it starts kinda strong at the beginning then wanes as the episode continues.

Winner: Spetsnaz 519

Loser: Berets 481

31 win difference, wrong on my prediction that Viking/Samurai would be the closest this season but 5-1 on my overall win predictions.

Next Week's Episode: Shaolin Monk vs. Maori

Tough call, need to read up more on Maori islanders.

Upcoming Episodes:-

William Wallace vs. Shaka Zulu

IRA vs. Taliban

[Bloodwrath970]

The M24 only shot 3 times, IIRC. which was annoying, should have had the same number of shots. and the grnade tests should have been the same. that pissed me off. but im glad the Spetz won, they deserved it.

[JacobChulainn]

Yeah, the M67 just has a big boom. I think they even mentioned the Spetsnaz grenade had better shrapnel spread.

Though in CoD4:MW matches Spetsnaz usually wins everytime also.

[DirkPitt45]

Though in CoD4:MW matches Spetsnaz usually wins everytime also.

Except they don't .... Side plays no part in who wins in cod4 except on downpour and occasionally bog if your team is decent at sniping and controlling points. And which team I'm on :p


The sniper part of that show didn't make sense to me.. M24 is 6 rounds a minute, and he shot between the eyes every single shot, *but* it didn't say who was faster. The Dragonuv is more versatile, medium range. Whereas the M24 is mostly all long range.

[JacobChulainn]

Every match I play in where Spetsnaz is involved(usally the team I am on, though not claiming to be uber at the game, and this is completely random coincedence) wins. I average maybe 15 kills per match on a good day, up from 7-8 when I camped starting out and before I worked on my stealth tactics.

UAV Jammers/Silencers have quickly become one of my favorite strategies in the team games, due to the overlapping use of UAV's by opposing teams. Perfect for sneaking behind the enemy position, and bomb squad/deep impact gets you by any claymores.

[DirkPitt45]

Red tiger M40A3 with an Acog scope :p Who needs sneaking when you can just 1 hit anyone you see... Granted you can use that which can be annoying at times. I find UAV jammer to be subpar to stopping power, sure you're invisible on radar but any good player doesn't solely rely on their radar. Then the fact that you start on opposite sides and if someone sees you first your pretty much done unless they're a terrible shot.

[ezaro]

I like this show and I hate it for the most part. They really, really, suck at taking in factors to account things.

For example, Samurai vs. Viking. The shield vs Kurenai. Kurenai won because the impact against the shield "would've broken the targets arm".

Mind you the shield arm is not the weapon arm, the deflection of the Kurenai ontop of the heavy swing required to deal damage would have stunned the Samurai. The viking would've had a broken shield arm, not a broken sword arm. Stunned Samurai would've been dead as it is common tactic to block and attack simultaneous.

Its still fun to see some of the tools in action.

[JacobChulainn]

Red tiger M40A3 with an Acog scope :p Who needs sneaking when you can just 1 hit anyone you see... Granted you can use that which can be annoying at times. I find UAV jammer to be subpar to stopping power, sure you're invisible on radar but any good player doesn't solely rely on their radar. Then the fact that you start on opposite sides and if someone sees you first your pretty much done unless they're a terrible shot.

That's what the smoke grenades are for, as far as the show itself around here everyone is backing the Shaolin Monks in this one. They just won't be intimidated by the Maori tattoos.

[JacobChulainn]

Shaolin Monk vs. Maori

Shaolin Monk: 69% of wins

Maori: 31% of wins

6-1 on my predictions. Next week I am leaning toward Shaka Zulu(William Wallace was nothing like the image in Braveheart).

[Guirec730]

I loved the Shaolin Monk episode. It's nice to see technique and training taking the nod again.

And the lack of Shaolin trash talk was nice.

Hookswords are CRAZY.

[JacobChulainn]

Didn't actually get to watch Shaka Zulu vs. William Wallace last night, watched it a few minutes ago though.

Short Spear/Shield Combination > Claymore(advantage Wallace)

Ball and Chain > Throwing Stick(advantage Zulu)

Warhammer > Zulu Axe(advantage Zulu)

Poison Spit > Targe Shield/Dirk(advantage Wallace)

Winner: Wallace(621)

Loser: Zulu(379)

I guess all streaks come to an end, 6-2 on my predictions. Figured agility would take it over chainmail, and slow weapons. Still doesn't change the fact even the Wallace experts on the show were inaccurate in their descriptions of the man and his deeds(just knew alot about the weapons).

You'd think they would've bothered to read what little bit is known about him, and not idolize the image in the film.

[DenyThisFlesh]

I loved the Shaolin Monk episode. It's nice to see technique and training taking the nod again.

And the lack of Shaolin trash talk was nice.

Hookswords are CRAZY.

YES! Twin Hooks FTW!

[Guirec730]

On the Gametrailers E3 special, the computer nerd put in his two cents about a Deadliest Warrior between Alien and Predator.

Basically, Alien wins open warfare with numbers, Predator wins one on one with weaponry.

Sounds pretty canon to me.

[hitemhigh]

On the Gametrailers E3 special, the computer nerd put in his two cents about a Deadliest Warrior between Alien and Predator.

Basically, Alien wins open warfare with numbers, Predator wins one on one with weaponry.

Sounds pretty canon to me.

oh god...i dont think you know what you started...or restarted rather. there were some pretty heated discussions about this a while ago

[Guirec730]

oh god...i dont think you know what you started...or restarted rather. there were some pretty heated discussions about this a while ago

That I MISSED somehow. I will debate this forever, because I am obsessively dedicated to the source material.

[hitemhigh]

lol, it was the vs thread, forget the real name, but they basically took 2 things, and asked which was better....pred. and alien were one of the more...heated...debates ;)

[DirkPitt45]

PREDATOR FTW!!!!!

lol jk

I vaguely remember that, but that was when I lurked and didn't touch the OT section I think.
The shaka/wallace one was rather boring.. Seemed to me they ran out of ideas by picking single heros instead of a group/cult.

[hitemhigh]

yeah...well...i think they're doing taliban for the next one...really? i mean...how can you even try and test that when all they're weapons are mismatched...they get whatever they can, they're not outfitted by a gov't.

[Guirec730]

yeah...well...i think they're doing taliban for the next one...really? i mean...how can you even try and test that when all they're weapons are mismatched...they get whatever they can, they're not outfitted by a gov't.

Hahaha they were outfitted by OUR government!

And I vote for the IRA, because...Sean Bean was one in Patriot Games.

Yeah, I'm out of my league in this one.

[hitemhigh]

Hahaha they were outfitted by OUR government!

And I vote for the IRA, because...Sean Bean was one in Patriot Games.

Yeah, I'm out of my league in this one.

lol, quite some time ago though. but w/e, i already got yelled at once for saying this show is more than flawed
edit: OT but w/e, sean bean is a sick nasty actor. ever see the sharpes rifles series? kinda good considering

[Guirec730]

lol, quite some time ago though.

Bah, AK47's and RPG's don't change much.

[hitemhigh]

lol, true enough, they do get rusty and in bad condition...although the ak is more than known for its ability to function under **** conditions

[DirkPitt45]

The AK carbine was the other part I didn't get with the spetsnaz.. Why would they use AKs? Sure they're great and all but they're old, obsolete by newer guns. I bet the spetsnaz now use H&k 36s and mp5s/7s..

[Guirec730]

Maybe the recession is knocking their budget around a bit.

[hitemhigh]

so how did the ira vs taliban end, i had to stop watching....couldnt take it

[Bloodwrath970]

IRA won. Was that the season finale? Didn't see any adds for the next episode.

EDIT: Yep. Dammit. They better do another season!

[MasterOfDoritos]

The AK carbine was the other part I didn't get with the spetsnaz.. Why would they use AKs? Sure they're great and all but they're old, obsolete by newer guns. I bet the spetsnaz now use H&k 36s and mp5s/7s..

I believe it was the Ak-74 that they used.

[Bloodwrath970]

'Twas.

/10char

[MasterOfDoritos]

Just saw the IRA vs. Taliban.

The end of the stage fight was hilarious.

[AKAtheDopeman]

1 vs 3 rpg's flying and locked in the bus bomb... I died laughing lol

[MasterOfDoritos]

I love that the AR beat out the AK. Sure the AK is reliable but the accuracy of the AR is very good.

[c0nair13]

besides the armalite didnt need to be as reliable as the ak because they fought in citys they wouldnt drop their gun in the mud lol

[Bloodwrath970]

im still not liking that idea... I think they got the Long Range weapons, and the Short Range weapons mixed up. AK imo should have won, and the slingshot should have won. a 5.56 round does not have the same stopping power of a 7.65 round. coupled with reliability, and that IMO means a better weapon for that given arena (close quarters, dirty, etc.) The slingshot seems more effective due to range. If nothing more, it could be an "assist" weapon like the Black Egg.

[MasterOfDoritos]

I'm not sure if i'm correct but the whole "edge" thing is just their prediction of which weapon will do better and the program determines which one gets the most kills.

[JacobChulainn]

I've been sick, why I didn't bother updating this thread.

Zulu let me down, but still ended the season with a 7-2 on my prediction accuracy because the IRA beat the Taliban like I knew they would(been fighting alot longer).

[Jurgy]

I have been watching the marathon all day on Spike, and I'm on the episode with Wallace/Zulu... and I must say... the continual yelling of "Zulu" over and over would cause me to just give up and declare them the winner. It's so unbelievably annoying.

[JacobChulainn]

The Maori insult using their tongues was more laughable than intimidating also.